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Agreed. I started with WebOS (Pre was my first smartphone), then HP happened. So I jumped to Blackberry 10, then their new CEO moved them to Android. So now

Agreed. I started with WebOS (Pre was my first smartphone), then HP happened. So I jumped to Blackberry 10, then their new CEO moved them to Android. So now now I am a reluctant Android user, because I find it only slightly less invasive than iOS. Very disappointed that this is the state of mobile computing landscape going into 2018.

BoorishBears 9y ago
> So now now I am a reluctant Android user, because I find it only slightly less invasive than iOS. That's surprising, I'd say Android is many times more invasive than iOS. iOS tends to lean towards on-device features where Android will happily send excessive amounts of your data to their servers to make "neat" features work.
- toxican 9y ago
  I switched to an iPhone because of this. I may not know everything that's going on behind the scenes with my phone, and I may not be able to tweak the hell out of it, but I do know that Apple's entire business isn't built around using personal info to sell ads. That's reason enough to stick with them if I really care about privacy/invasiveness. I'm sure they're not perfect either, but I just really do not trust Google anymore.
- maxxxxx 9y ago
  On the other hand you cannot install what you want on iOS. They both suck in their own sweet way.
  - BoorishBears 9y ago
    I remember about 5 years ago I was telling friends on day we wouldn't be able to root flagships (that was back when root exploits were common enough). They laughed me off, but here we are with more flagships than not never getting root. Android's getting locked down, and GPS is getting more and more integral to Android's functions (stuff like needing FCM for communicating with a device in Doze mode). I'd still say iOS is more locked down, but iOS has side loading
skinnymuch 9y ago
How is it less invasive? Isn't Apple and iOS big on not sending your data out as much as possible? While Android isn't like that at all? I do miss webOS a great deal though. Same with Windows Mobile which I used for a year.

BoorishBears 9y ago

> So now now I am a reluctant Android user, because I find it only slightly less invasive than iOS. That's surprising, I'd say Android is many times more invasive than iOS. iOS tends to lean towards on-device features where Android will happily send excessive amounts of your data to their servers to make "neat" features work.

toxican 9y ago
I switched to an iPhone because of this. I may not know everything that's going on behind the scenes with my phone, and I may not be able to tweak the hell out of it, but I do know that Apple's entire business isn't built around using personal info to sell ads. That's reason enough to stick with them if I really care about privacy/invasiveness. I'm sure they're not perfect either, but I just really do not trust Google anymore.
maxxxxx 9y ago
On the other hand you cannot install what you want on iOS. They both suck in their own sweet way.
- BoorishBears 9y ago
  I remember about 5 years ago I was telling friends on day we wouldn't be able to root flagships (that was back when root exploits were common enough). They laughed me off, but here we are with more flagships than not never getting root. Android's getting locked down, and GPS is getting more and more integral to Android's functions (stuff like needing FCM for communicating with a device in Doze mode). I'd still say iOS is more locked down, but iOS has side loading

skinnymuch 9y ago

How is it less invasive? Isn't Apple and iOS big on not sending your data out as much as possible? While Android isn't like that at all? I do miss webOS a great deal though. Same with Windows Mobile which I used for a year.