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Okay, say every browser had a built-in tracking, cookie, ad, script blocker etc. How would you propose websites then make any money?

by dbbk 9y ago

mikestew 9y ago
That’s not my problem to fix, no proposal is required of me.
- dymk 9y ago
  Okay, then don't expect anybody to build one. Web browsers are incredibly complex, and nobody is going to build one for free nowadays.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    That's only yet another reason to try and spin off a more user-friendly web, and burn the current thing to the ground.
  - mikestew 9y ago
    Wait a minute, did I misunderstand? I thought we were talking about how websites would make money, not build browsers. Are you saying that Apple, who doesn’t depend on web advertising AFAICT, wouldn’t build this hypothetical browser because other companies wouldn’t make money? A more macro economic view, then?
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    >Web browsers are incredibly complex This is the problem. A much less complex browser, without wasm, without JavaScript, with a simpler DOM... would not be that incredibly complex and expensive to build. So the point is moot.
cgh 9y ago
By asking people to buy what they are selling? If they aren’t selling anything, why the expectation of remuneration?
CaptSpify 9y ago
They could ask their users. That model seems to be working well. But even if they couldn't make money? Who cares? The web existed long before it was monetized, and it worked great! Better than now, actually.
Endy 9y ago
I don't. I literally don't care about them making money, so I can't propose any method. My problem is that they demand the monetization of the Web and crud up my PC. My solution is 'block everything but text and images.'
adrianN 9y ago
The web was a pretty exiting place before the suits arrived trying to make money. Hobbyists writing about their passions doesn't require ads. People who can afford a computer to write their blog can also afford the pennies it costs to host a static web site.

Okay, say every browser had a built-in tracking, cookie, ad, script blocker etc. How would you propose websites then make any money?

by dbbk 9y ago

Okay, say every browser had a built-in tracking, cookie, ad, script blocker etc. How would you propose websites then make any money?

mikestew 9y ago

That’s not my problem to fix, no proposal is required of me.

dymk 9y ago
Okay, then don't expect anybody to build one. Web browsers are incredibly complex, and nobody is going to build one for free nowadays.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  That's only yet another reason to try and spin off a more user-friendly web, and burn the current thing to the ground.
- mikestew 9y ago
  Wait a minute, did I misunderstand? I thought we were talking about how websites would make money, not build browsers. Are you saying that Apple, who doesn’t depend on web advertising AFAICT, wouldn’t build this hypothetical browser because other companies wouldn’t make money? A more macro economic view, then?
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  >Web browsers are incredibly complex This is the problem. A much less complex browser, without wasm, without JavaScript, with a simpler DOM... would not be that incredibly complex and expensive to build. So the point is moot.

cgh 9y ago

By asking people to buy what they are selling? If they aren’t selling anything, why the expectation of remuneration?

CaptSpify 9y ago

They could ask their users. That model seems to be working well. But even if they couldn't make money? Who cares? The web existed long before it was monetized, and it worked great! Better than now, actually.

Endy 9y ago

I don't. I literally don't care about them making money, so I can't propose any method. My problem is that they demand the monetization of the Web and crud up my PC. My solution is 'block everything but text and images.'

adrianN 9y ago

The web was a pretty exiting place before the suits arrived trying to make money. Hobbyists writing about their passions doesn't require ads. People who can afford a computer to write their blog can also afford the pennies it costs to host a static web site.