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> North Korea has acted especially badly, largely unchecked, for more than a decade, which is false and a political swipe You couldn't be more wrong. https://

by pwaai 9y ago

> North Korea has acted especially badly, largely unchecked, for more than a decade, which is false and a political swipe You couldn't be more wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_involving_North_and_South_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_invol... They've tried to kill the South Korean president every chance they got, kidnap citizens to train spies, blew up civilian airplanes, killed an American soldier over a fucking tree near the DMZ, multiple tunnels underground for invasion discovered, Pueblo, shelled an island, sunk a frigate. Yeah I'd say they are unchecked and have been acting bad ever since day 1. I mean the whole Korean War started because of that one fat fuck.

smcl 9y ago
If that is acting badly then how would you describe how the UK and the US have been acting in the same period? We've overthrown governments, started numerous wars in foreign lands and have the blood of millions of innocent people on our hands. North Korea may have been acting badly, but we can't exactly claim the moral high ground. "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
- pwaai 9y ago
  > If that is acting badly then how would you describe how the UK and the US have been acting in the same period? ah there's the whataboutism it's an overused and a poor case against the West. Yes, North Korea has been acting particularly bad, as Korean, it strongly irks me when people talk out of their mouth when they aren't familiar with the subject. South Korea has constantly suffered the brunt of North Korea aggression. It's hard to continue a logical debate with somebody who rejects facts and continues to make illogical arguments. Seems like you are born in Czech. I think USSR was in the right when they crushed dissent because Czech was a bad communist country. See how that works?
  - smcl 9y ago
    If you think I've got some anti-west agenda, this is not the case. Here's all that I think - we've basically invaded and ruined so many countries over the last 50 years or so, and generally left them worse off. I want that and the hawkish, pro-war, "the other guys are bad, and we are good" rhetoric to stop. That's it. We can't just bat away all criticism or context by dismissing it as "whataboutism". It is very tempting but it is lazy and it does not serve you - it lets our leaders off the hook, normalises hatred & suffering, and permits the cycle of violence to continue. It also sounds like you're trying to rile me up by making a very "edgy" comment about the Prague Spring but that won't work because: a) I'm not Czech (the "we" I'm referring to is the UK, my home country) b) It was a poorly crafted analogy, in kinda poor taste
    - pwaai 9y ago
      So you'd understand why I took offense to your comment that "North Korea didnt do anything wrong", and if you were Czech you'd take offense to the Prague Spring because you know that USSR "did very wrong". I have trouble understanding people defending a country like North Korea out of all places with little understanding of the danger they pose and have posed since day 1.
      - smcl 9y ago
        Look, you're getting all worked up about a comment you invented about me (I never commented that NK did nothing wrong) ... and then you're trolling me assuming I did say it, and suggested I would've been upset about the trolling if I also satisfied another of your inventions (my nationality). Dude, this is getting too weird for me I'm afraid. I'm out.

by pwaai 9y ago

smcl 9y ago

If that is acting badly then how would you describe how the UK and the US have been acting in the same period? We've overthrown governments, started numerous wars in foreign lands and have the blood of millions of innocent people on our hands. North Korea may have been acting badly, but we can't exactly claim the moral high ground. "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

pwaai 9y ago
> If that is acting badly then how would you describe how the UK and the US have been acting in the same period? ah there's the whataboutism it's an overused and a poor case against the West. Yes, North Korea has been acting particularly bad, as Korean, it strongly irks me when people talk out of their mouth when they aren't familiar with the subject. South Korea has constantly suffered the brunt of North Korea aggression. It's hard to continue a logical debate with somebody who rejects facts and continues to make illogical arguments. Seems like you are born in Czech. I think USSR was in the right when they crushed dissent because Czech was a bad communist country. See how that works?
- smcl 9y ago
  If you think I've got some anti-west agenda, this is not the case. Here's all that I think - we've basically invaded and ruined so many countries over the last 50 years or so, and generally left them worse off. I want that and the hawkish, pro-war, "the other guys are bad, and we are good" rhetoric to stop. That's it. We can't just bat away all criticism or context by dismissing it as "whataboutism". It is very tempting but it is lazy and it does not serve you - it lets our leaders off the hook, normalises hatred & suffering, and permits the cycle of violence to continue. It also sounds like you're trying to rile me up by making a very "edgy" comment about the Prague Spring but that won't work because: a) I'm not Czech (the "we" I'm referring to is the UK, my home country) b) It was a poorly crafted analogy, in kinda poor taste
  - pwaai 9y ago
    So you'd understand why I took offense to your comment that "North Korea didnt do anything wrong", and if you were Czech you'd take offense to the Prague Spring because you know that USSR "did very wrong". I have trouble understanding people defending a country like North Korea out of all places with little understanding of the danger they pose and have posed since day 1.
    - smcl 9y ago
      Look, you're getting all worked up about a comment you invented about me (I never commented that NK did nothing wrong) ... and then you're trolling me assuming I did say it, and suggested I would've been upset about the trolling if I also satisfied another of your inventions (my nationality). Dude, this is getting too weird for me I'm afraid. I'm out.