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>right as that country is trying to pin them--a country with zero conflicts in 60 years--as the world's biggest threat. What's the implication here? That the U

>right as that country is trying to pin them--a country with zero conflicts in 60 years--as the world's biggest threat. What's the implication here? That the US is somehow unjustified in being alarmed by NK becoming a full nuclear power, soon with worldwide ICBM range? Think about the situation in that country. A small cabal of crooks lives like kings while the rest of the country suffers a never ending reign of terror, involving public executions in school yards, horrific labor camps, total surveillance, punishment of whole families, etc. The guy in charge is a sicko who executed his uncle with an anti-aircraft gun, and probably had a good laugh throughout the whole thing. The previous leader, his father, did such things as kidnap South Korean actors to force them to put on shows for him. These are deeply deranged people. Now imagine that regime on the verge of collapse, for one of the many possible reasons that could happen. The cabal of crooks know that they will all be executed by the North Korean people for their crimes. How sure are you that, when that moment comes, the regime won't launch nukes against all of their longtime enemies, just for the hell of it as a parting fuck you to the world?

fiblye 9y ago
>What's the implication here? That North Korea is justified in building up their arsenal to protect themselves from a country that has actively sought to topple other governments it simply just doesn't like. That vast majority of threats North Korea makes are "If America does this, we will retaliate." Meanwhile, American politicians endlessly call for preemptive strikes on Iran and North Korea because they've allegedly been on the verge of wiping out humanity for decades now. I've stopped buying the bullshit, but the "Kim Jong Un got gout from cheese and died but only before killing his uncle with an antiaircraft gun" headlines keep rolling.
- SubiculumCode 9y ago
  If only for how they have oppressed their poor people, the NK regime deserves annihilation.
  - fiblye 9y ago
    If there's one thing America has mastered, it's the art of starting conflicts with "good intentions" like this and causing more harm than their enemy. See: Libya, Vietnam, Iraq. Every few years Americans say "never again", until the media sells the same lies as before and people forget.
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wfo 9y ago
You might ask yourself how different this is from the situation in the US. It is different, to be sure. Worse, absolutely. But how much worse? >A small cabal of crooks lives like kings while the rest of the country suffers a never ending reign of terror A fairly accurate description of the US >horrific labor camps Yes, we have these, but we call them 'prisons' and we have the highest proportion of people in them in the history of humankind. >total surveillance Need I say more? >punishment of whole families You're right this is horrifying and different from what we do. We do, however, encourage this behavior in our closest allies (Israel) and fund them as they commit these war crimes. Our current president has also explicitly advocated to introduce this technique to the American arsenal, though there's no evidence he's succeeded quite yet. > The guy in charge is a sicko who executed his uncle with an anti-aircraft gun, and probably had a good laugh throughout the whole thing. Our guy in charge raped women and laughs about it... >he previous leader, his father, did such things as kidnap South Korean actors to force them to put on shows for him. Our previous guy funded a wide scale genocide in Yemen that created hundreds of thousands of terrorists and unilaterally murdered our own people without trial. >These are deeply deranged people. On this we agree fully. >How sure are you that, when that moment comes, the regime won't launch nukes against all of their longtime enemies, just for the hell of it as a parting fuck you to the world? This is explicitly American military policy. We have the power to kill every human on the entire planet with the press of the button and are gleeful about our willingness to do so. You should be terrified. As it turns out, nuclear weapons are the only effective insurance policy against aggression from the United States. I am not surprised NK (or any state leader that wishes to not obey every command of the US and simultaneously not be unilaterally murdered/have their country destroyed by the US) wants to acquire, hold, and threaten to use nuclear weapons. Do I want NK to have them? Absolutely not. The idea is terrifying. Do I understand their motives and think them reasonable given their circumstances and experiences? Absolutely.

fiblye 9y ago

>What's the implication here? That North Korea is justified in building up their arsenal to protect themselves from a country that has actively sought to topple other governments it simply just doesn't like. That vast majority of threats North Korea makes are "If America does this, we will retaliate." Meanwhile, American politicians endlessly call for preemptive strikes on Iran and North Korea because they've allegedly been on the verge of wiping out humanity for decades now. I've stopped buying the bullshit, but the "Kim Jong Un got gout from cheese and died but only before killing his uncle with an antiaircraft gun" headlines keep rolling.

SubiculumCode 9y ago
If only for how they have oppressed their poor people, the NK regime deserves annihilation.
- fiblye 9y ago
  If there's one thing America has mastered, it's the art of starting conflicts with "good intentions" like this and causing more harm than their enemy. See: Libya, Vietnam, Iraq. Every few years Americans say "never again", until the media sells the same lies as before and people forget.
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wfo 9y ago

You might ask yourself how different this is from the situation in the US. It is different, to be sure. Worse, absolutely. But how much worse? >A small cabal of crooks lives like kings while the rest of the country suffers a never ending reign of terror A fairly accurate description of the US >horrific labor camps Yes, we have these, but we call them 'prisons' and we have the highest proportion of people in them in the history of humankind. >total surveillance Need I say more? >punishment of whole families You're right this is horrifying and different from what we do. We do, however, encourage this behavior in our closest allies (Israel) and fund them as they commit these war crimes. Our current president has also explicitly advocated to introduce this technique to the American arsenal, though there's no evidence he's succeeded quite yet. > The guy in charge is a sicko who executed his uncle with an anti-aircraft gun, and probably had a good laugh throughout the whole thing. Our guy in charge raped women and laughs about it... >he previous leader, his father, did such things as kidnap South Korean actors to force them to put on shows for him. Our previous guy funded a wide scale genocide in Yemen that created hundreds of thousands of terrorists and unilaterally murdered our own people without trial. >These are deeply deranged people. On this we agree fully. >How sure are you that, when that moment comes, the regime won't launch nukes against all of their longtime enemies, just for the hell of it as a parting fuck you to the world? This is explicitly American military policy. We have the power to kill every human on the entire planet with the press of the button and are gleeful about our willingness to do so. You should be terrified. As it turns out, nuclear weapons are the only effective insurance policy against aggression from the United States. I am not surprised NK (or any state leader that wishes to not obey every command of the US and simultaneously not be unilaterally murdered/have their country destroyed by the US) wants to acquire, hold, and threaten to use nuclear weapons. Do I want NK to have them? Absolutely not. The idea is terrifying. Do I understand their motives and think them reasonable given their circumstances and experiences? Absolutely.