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I agree completely. I'm not leaving Firefox over this. They made a silly mistake, with no sinister motivations (can't confidently say the same about any other

by nvr219 9y ago

I agree completely. I'm not leaving Firefox over this. They made a silly mistake, with no sinister motivations (can't confidently say the same about any other major browser)

blub 9y ago
Yes, one silly mistake would not be so bad. But they also ramped up their telemetry and also installed cliqz. Three strikes... and I'm using Safari, because this seems to be the least bad right now. Pretty lame from Mozilla. Edit: forgot about Pocket.
dmix 9y ago
It's a good example of the outrage culture we live in, and have incentivized on social media, being taken very seriously when it reality the issues have very little real affect on peoples lives... Firefox handled a mess up very well. The extension was always opt-in and never extracted any data. It came from a trusted source regardless via another layer of opt-in experiment beta testing. Yes it wasn't cool they chose poor language and didn't fully consider the implications of installing a 'fun' experiment. But lets keep our shirts on. Quantum has been more than rewarding and this minor PR issue is hardly deterring me from using Firefox... especially compared with Chrome being built by the biggest ad company in the world.
- blub 9y ago
  It is pretty outrageous to have one's computer and information be at the mercy of every software developer out there who thinks it's their divine right to collect information about you and how you use their product, to force install software on your computer and generally treat you - the customer - with contempt. So yes, people will be outraged. We're sick of being taken advantage of by dishonest companies and individuals because the US privacy laws are a complete joke.
  - ddalex 9y ago
    One caveat, you are the consumer, not the customer. Subtle, but important difference.
- rmrfrmrf 9y ago
  I think my issue is that everything about this plugin — from the marketing tie-in, to the rollout, to the effects of the plugin itself once activated — all indicate a complete breakdown of core values. Creating a plugin that modifies content on your screen and injects HTTP headers is egregious enough (just look at the response Comcast got for doing it), but doing it for a TV show tie-in? How did that idea even make it through one round of approvals, much less land on every Firefox user’s machine? Users trust web browsers to deliver the exact content that was requested — that’s why we have gpg signatures, hashsums, and HTTPS. It’s arguably a core tenet of the web. IMO the reaction of the tech community can only be expected in response to such a deep violation of trust.
  - ufo 9y ago
    There are plenty of people who don't care about the santicity of delivered web content, as can be seen by the popularity of things such as the cloud-to-butt extension. And I am sure that the die hard Mr robot fans that are the target audience for this ARG wouldn't have seen anything wrong with that extension. As you said, the real issue here is the terrible decision to push this to everyone.
balladeer 9y ago
Here's another perspective - I am not coming to Firefox over this. After literally years of struggle with Chrome and Firefox I finally switched to Safari (recently I switched to iPhone so on mobile too) and yes for personal browsing, on a Mac, this is really better than any other browser out there and Quantum felt as good. No, I don't have benchmarking scores, but I am speaking from an end user point of view. I was a lifetime Firefox user - started browsing on it when I bought my first laptop in 2007 and never touched anything else until Pocket happened and after testing Quantum for a few days I was so happy that the Firefox is back. I don't think so. I guess I will sit this one out. It's not an isolated incident. They have been doing it constantly since Pocket.
- blacksmith_tb 9y ago
  Are you using uBlock[1]? It seems like an awkward process to go through, compared to FF (or Chrome/ium)... 1: https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari
  - balladeer 9y ago
    Yes, I use this extension. Update etc aren't as smooth in Chrome/FF but I haven't faced any major issue. GitHub issues section is quite active and there are helpful users.
pooper 9y ago
> I'm not leaving Firefox over this. Of course, I am not leaving. The CMO should be leaving!

by nvr219 9y ago

I agree completely. I'm not leaving Firefox over this. They made a silly mistake, with no sinister motivations (can't confidently say the same about any other major browser)

blub 9y ago

Yes, one silly mistake would not be so bad. But they also ramped up their telemetry and also installed cliqz. Three strikes... and I'm using Safari, because this seems to be the least bad right now. Pretty lame from Mozilla. Edit: forgot about Pocket.

dmix 9y ago

It's a good example of the outrage culture we live in, and have incentivized on social media, being taken very seriously when it reality the issues have very little real affect on peoples lives... Firefox handled a mess up very well. The extension was always opt-in and never extracted any data. It came from a trusted source regardless via another layer of opt-in experiment beta testing. Yes it wasn't cool they chose poor language and didn't fully consider the implications of installing a 'fun' experiment. But lets keep our shirts on. Quantum has been more than rewarding and this minor PR issue is hardly deterring me from using Firefox... especially compared with Chrome being built by the biggest ad company in the world.

blub 9y ago
It is pretty outrageous to have one's computer and information be at the mercy of every software developer out there who thinks it's their divine right to collect information about you and how you use their product, to force install software on your computer and generally treat you - the customer - with contempt. So yes, people will be outraged. We're sick of being taken advantage of by dishonest companies and individuals because the US privacy laws are a complete joke.
- ddalex 9y ago
  One caveat, you are the consumer, not the customer. Subtle, but important difference.
rmrfrmrf 9y ago
I think my issue is that everything about this plugin — from the marketing tie-in, to the rollout, to the effects of the plugin itself once activated — all indicate a complete breakdown of core values. Creating a plugin that modifies content on your screen and injects HTTP headers is egregious enough (just look at the response Comcast got for doing it), but doing it for a TV show tie-in? How did that idea even make it through one round of approvals, much less land on every Firefox user’s machine? Users trust web browsers to deliver the exact content that was requested — that’s why we have gpg signatures, hashsums, and HTTPS. It’s arguably a core tenet of the web. IMO the reaction of the tech community can only be expected in response to such a deep violation of trust.
- ufo 9y ago
  There are plenty of people who don't care about the santicity of delivered web content, as can be seen by the popularity of things such as the cloud-to-butt extension. And I am sure that the die hard Mr robot fans that are the target audience for this ARG wouldn't have seen anything wrong with that extension. As you said, the real issue here is the terrible decision to push this to everyone.

balladeer 9y ago

Here's another perspective - I am not coming to Firefox over this. After literally years of struggle with Chrome and Firefox I finally switched to Safari (recently I switched to iPhone so on mobile too) and yes for personal browsing, on a Mac, this is really better than any other browser out there and Quantum felt as good. No, I don't have benchmarking scores, but I am speaking from an end user point of view. I was a lifetime Firefox user - started browsing on it when I bought my first laptop in 2007 and never touched anything else until Pocket happened and after testing Quantum for a few days I was so happy that the Firefox is back. I don't think so. I guess I will sit this one out. It's not an isolated incident. They have been doing it constantly since Pocket.

blacksmith_tb 9y ago
Are you using uBlock[1]? It seems like an awkward process to go through, compared to FF (or Chrome/ium)... 1: https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari
- balladeer 9y ago
  Yes, I use this extension. Update etc aren't as smooth in Chrome/FF but I haven't faced any major issue. GitHub issues section is quite active and there are helpful users.

pooper 9y ago

> I'm not leaving Firefox over this. Of course, I am not leaving. The CMO should be leaving!