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And what about the non-transparent bug? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1423003 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1423003 And no updat

And what about the non-transparent bug? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1423003 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1423003 And no updates on the public bug, and it was summarily closed: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1424977 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1424977 That hardly inspires confidence on transparency.

zbraniecki 9y ago
I don't have access to the private bug myself, but I can try to reason about it. I believe that at this point, opening up this bug would do exclusively harm and no good to anyone. There's nothing I can imagine in the bug to be of value to our understanding of the situation. If the people working on it were oblivious to what they are doing, then it would just look plain stupid from hindsight 20/20. If the people working on it were aware and hoped that no one will raise a fuss, then it'll look even worse for them. The important fact is that Mozilla reacted, and that the leadership does have access to this bug. Whoever was involved is probably currently involved in debriefing what has happened there and that bug is part of it. I hope it'll be open at some point, but I'd hate if access to the bug resulted in a witch hunt and public shaming of that person/people which, as we all know, the Internet is great at. We know that our leadership reacted and we know that they recognize what has happened. I'm not asking you to trust them, obviously that has to be regained and the process is painfully slow, but I do ask you to give them time. The emotional reaction is short-termed. I hope that this incident will have a long term positive consequences to our project.
- chris_wot 9y ago
  Of course, a witch hunt does no good to anyone and to my mind, it's a mistake (albeit a bad one). My issue is that the public bug was closed off early. In future, perhaps the Mozilla team might take it into account that communication might be smoother if they keep things more transparent. I'm a massive fan of Mozilla. In fact, I'm trying to get more folks in my org to use it instead of Chrome (it's a hell of a lot more stable, and the Chrome team tends to break our web apps frequently). I largely trust Mozilla far more than the Google team, and this unfortunate episode, for me at least, just made me mad because it was such a major cock-up that it was entirely unexpected.
  - zbraniecki 9y ago
    I feel you. I really do. It's been a rough week for a lot of us :(

zbraniecki 9y ago

I don't have access to the private bug myself, but I can try to reason about it. I believe that at this point, opening up this bug would do exclusively harm and no good to anyone. There's nothing I can imagine in the bug to be of value to our understanding of the situation. If the people working on it were oblivious to what they are doing, then it would just look plain stupid from hindsight 20/20. If the people working on it were aware and hoped that no one will raise a fuss, then it'll look even worse for them. The important fact is that Mozilla reacted, and that the leadership does have access to this bug. Whoever was involved is probably currently involved in debriefing what has happened there and that bug is part of it. I hope it'll be open at some point, but I'd hate if access to the bug resulted in a witch hunt and public shaming of that person/people which, as we all know, the Internet is great at. We know that our leadership reacted and we know that they recognize what has happened. I'm not asking you to trust them, obviously that has to be regained and the process is painfully slow, but I do ask you to give them time. The emotional reaction is short-termed. I hope that this incident will have a long term positive consequences to our project.

chris_wot 9y ago
Of course, a witch hunt does no good to anyone and to my mind, it's a mistake (albeit a bad one). My issue is that the public bug was closed off early. In future, perhaps the Mozilla team might take it into account that communication might be smoother if they keep things more transparent. I'm a massive fan of Mozilla. In fact, I'm trying to get more folks in my org to use it instead of Chrome (it's a hell of a lot more stable, and the Chrome team tends to break our web apps frequently). I largely trust Mozilla far more than the Google team, and this unfortunate episode, for me at least, just made me mad because it was such a major cock-up that it was entirely unexpected.
- zbraniecki 9y ago
  I feel you. I really do. It's been a rough week for a lot of us :(