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We'll also get highly optimized algorithms that sell us things we don't need through the use of psychology and the exploitation of human nature. We'll also get

We'll also get highly optimized algorithms that sell us things we don't need through the use of psychology and the exploitation of human nature. We'll also get rampant misspending of scientific research funds, which will go to boner pills and hair replacement techniques, rather than curing malaria or exploring space. We'll also have the end-game for all capitalist nations be leadership that is completely bought and paid for. We'll also have workers treated as useless and interchangeable cogs, while public markets sway back and forth, removing jobs, pushing mergers, cutting pay. We'll also get things like McDonald's and Coca-Cola, two of the largest companies in the world, both of which are literally, 100% dedicated to selling addictive foods that are diabolically unhealthy. Capitalism ensures people get what they want most. The problem is, people are fucking horrible, and what they all want most is cheeseburgers, soda, angry Facebook rants, fake news, and bigger dicks. Sure, society wants much more than this, but at the individual level, these are the second-to-second motivations, and capitalism's atavistic psychic mining project always ends up down on this dopamine level of reaction in all things. Humans can be wonderful and do good things. The problem is capitalism is a race to exploit the worst in human nature, effectively heading off those better instincts with porn, fast cars, and lap band surgery.

Knufen 9y ago
Please provide proof for or source: 1. Boner pills or hair replacement is worse or better than curing malaria or exploring space. 2. That the end game for every capitalist is leadership that can be paid for and bought. 3. That treating workers as useless and interchangeable cogs provide more profit than treating them fairly (assuming profit is the goal). 4. That abuse of McDonalds and Coca Cola being worse than abuse of literally anything else (Water in big enough quantities will kill you too). 5. That people are 'fucking horrible' and their second-to-second motivation is horrible. You sound like every extreme socialist I envision. It sounds like you want a totalitarian government (made of humans) that dictate what exactly what people can do, eat and what not. It absolutely frightens me that you can condemm the entirety of the human race and also have the ability to vote.
civilian 9y ago
And what would your solution be? Because I imagine it would be government control on what we're allowed to spend money on. You are a totalitarian, and while it might be a "good" thing in some situations, that kind of power is quickly and easily corrupted. How long do you think you can last before regulatory capture happens? How long can you last before you're persecuting people for thoughtcrimes? I'll take the "people can spend money on what they want" dystopia before I take yours. Because the capitalism dystopia to presented can be fixed by people changing their minds and changing their spending habits. Your dystopia can't change without deaths.
- dgabriel 9y ago
  The government controls a LOT of what we can buy already. Sex work is highly regulated, and you can't buy people. You also can't buy endangered animals, ivory, or nuclear weapons. In terms of people spending money on what they want, people spend lots of money on opioids and it ruins their lives, or kills them. Should doctors and pharmaceutical companies not be bound by any regulatory body? Should people just be allowed to OD on fentanil because they want to spend their money on it?
  - civilian 9y ago
    Lol, you're using the opiod argument because you think it's a slam dunk. People who use drugs are not harming anyone with force or fraud. And if drugs were decriminalized, they'd be far cheaper, and drug addicts wouldn't have to turn to crime to pay for their drugs. The drug war is a massive failure and a huge civil rights violation. I would also hope that, when drugs are decriminalized, the drug addict would choose a safer opiate, like simple morphine or heroin. Yes, they are very addictive, and they can cause overdoses, but if people could buy their drugs in a legal market they could actually get good dosage information and it wouldn't be cut with shit like fentanil.
pllbnk 9y ago
I wanted to add my two cents regarding the algorithms selling us things we don't need. In my opinion, it in large part contributes to the global poverty and income inequality with the help of social pressure that haves put on have-nots who in turn try to catch-up any way possible, further adding pressure on themselves to be "successful".

Knufen 9y ago

Please provide proof for or source: 1. Boner pills or hair replacement is worse or better than curing malaria or exploring space. 2. That the end game for every capitalist is leadership that can be paid for and bought. 3. That treating workers as useless and interchangeable cogs provide more profit than treating them fairly (assuming profit is the goal). 4. That abuse of McDonalds and Coca Cola being worse than abuse of literally anything else (Water in big enough quantities will kill you too). 5. That people are 'fucking horrible' and their second-to-second motivation is horrible. You sound like every extreme socialist I envision. It sounds like you want a totalitarian government (made of humans) that dictate what exactly what people can do, eat and what not. It absolutely frightens me that you can condemm the entirety of the human race and also have the ability to vote.

civilian 9y ago

And what would your solution be? Because I imagine it would be government control on what we're allowed to spend money on. You are a totalitarian, and while it might be a "good" thing in some situations, that kind of power is quickly and easily corrupted. How long do you think you can last before regulatory capture happens? How long can you last before you're persecuting people for thoughtcrimes? I'll take the "people can spend money on what they want" dystopia before I take yours. Because the capitalism dystopia to presented can be fixed by people changing their minds and changing their spending habits. Your dystopia can't change without deaths.

dgabriel 9y ago
The government controls a LOT of what we can buy already. Sex work is highly regulated, and you can't buy people. You also can't buy endangered animals, ivory, or nuclear weapons. In terms of people spending money on what they want, people spend lots of money on opioids and it ruins their lives, or kills them. Should doctors and pharmaceutical companies not be bound by any regulatory body? Should people just be allowed to OD on fentanil because they want to spend their money on it?
- civilian 9y ago
  Lol, you're using the opiod argument because you think it's a slam dunk. People who use drugs are not harming anyone with force or fraud. And if drugs were decriminalized, they'd be far cheaper, and drug addicts wouldn't have to turn to crime to pay for their drugs. The drug war is a massive failure and a huge civil rights violation. I would also hope that, when drugs are decriminalized, the drug addict would choose a safer opiate, like simple morphine or heroin. Yes, they are very addictive, and they can cause overdoses, but if people could buy their drugs in a legal market they could actually get good dosage information and it wouldn't be cut with shit like fentanil.

pllbnk 9y ago

I wanted to add my two cents regarding the algorithms selling us things we don't need. In my opinion, it in large part contributes to the global poverty and income inequality with the help of social pressure that haves put on have-nots who in turn try to catch-up any way possible, further adding pressure on themselves to be "successful".