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There are many, many studies of the justice system in the U.S. showing very biased outcomes depending on factors like gender or race. Practicing sexless-ness i

There are many, many studies of the justice system in the U.S. showing very biased outcomes depending on factors like gender or race. Practicing sexless-ness is, as you observe, what's supposed to be done already ("All dictate that professionals... treat both women and men equally"). Do you think we believe that we're practicing sexless-ness and then not doing so in practice? Or that there are unconscious or systemic effects at play as well that conscious dedication to sexless-ness isn't affecting?

belorn 9y ago
I do not think anyone is practicing sexless-ness at all. While the law says that they should treat both women and men equally, people still perceive women as women and men as men. That in turn carries with a huge number of cultural expectations and values. Race has a similar problem, through here it seems to be a proxy for social economical status (class), which then leads to the cultural expectations and values. In both cases it seems very conscious behavior, and when it comes to diversity work its explicitly so. Few are still preaching that you should not see gender or race, and those that do are generally attacked for doing so. Gender roles are emphasized and highlighted in practically all form of news and cultural media, occasionally reversed for the shock or comedy effect. Its very explicit and conscious.
- fatbird 9y ago
  You're conflating an intent to practice sexless-ness with the actuality of it. You're right that we're not practicing it--everywhere we look we see inequity that's obvious tied to gender (or race, or disability...). But we think we are, or at least that we're trying. We've spent a century disassembling laws and customs that treat women differently, and yet the inequities remain. Why are you so hostile to the idea that we're not all that conscious of our lack of sexless-ness in application? That the inequities of sexism are at least partly systemic and not a conscious choice to be discriminatory?

belorn 9y ago

I do not think anyone is practicing sexless-ness at all. While the law says that they should treat both women and men equally, people still perceive women as women and men as men. That in turn carries with a huge number of cultural expectations and values. Race has a similar problem, through here it seems to be a proxy for social economical status (class), which then leads to the cultural expectations and values. In both cases it seems very conscious behavior, and when it comes to diversity work its explicitly so. Few are still preaching that you should not see gender or race, and those that do are generally attacked for doing so. Gender roles are emphasized and highlighted in practically all form of news and cultural media, occasionally reversed for the shock or comedy effect. Its very explicit and conscious.

fatbird 9y ago
You're conflating an intent to practice sexless-ness with the actuality of it. You're right that we're not practicing it--everywhere we look we see inequity that's obvious tied to gender (or race, or disability...). But we think we are, or at least that we're trying. We've spent a century disassembling laws and customs that treat women differently, and yet the inequities remain. Why are you so hostile to the idea that we're not all that conscious of our lack of sexless-ness in application? That the inequities of sexism are at least partly systemic and not a conscious choice to be discriminatory?