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Ok, for two+ person household it's $14k, but then it's double income. And the premiums are not horrible either. It took me two minutes to find a bronze level p

Ok, for two+ person household it's $14k, but then it's double income. And the premiums are not horrible either. It took me two minutes to find a bronze level plan for $398.56 ($4782 per year). It's not much at all. It's cheaper than paying much higher taxes in most of the EU.

ceejayoz 9y ago
> It's cheaper than paying much higher taxes in most of the EU. This is demonstrably false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea...
- bufferoverflow 9y ago
  You're confusing GDP with taxes https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/taxrevenueaspctofgdplabeled.png https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/t...
  - ceejayoz 9y ago
    No, I'm not. As indicated in my link, Americans pay the highest per-capita costs (be it via premiums/copays, taxes, etc.) for healthcare in the world.
    - bufferoverflow 9y ago
      No way Americans pay more in taxes than most of Europe. That's absolutely not true. If you want to compare to third world countries, I suggest you try and live there before telling us how great it is. You also have to consider that the US develops most novel drugs and therapies, by a wide margin. Are you taking and Chinese or Russian or African drugs? Neither do I.
      - ceejayoz 9y ago
        You can't compare Europe's total taxes with just American healthcare costs. They've made similar choices to pay for stuff like college via taxes instead of privately that heavily affect that comparison. Americans pay more than Europeans (and anyone else in the world) for healthcare. This is demonstrable fact. edit: Here, look at this one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_health_expenditure_per_capita_by_country.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_health_expenditure_p... We're paying as much or more than most of the OECD in healthcare from a tax perspective, then adding on a bunch of private spending they don't have, for a total spending wildly larger than any of them.
        bufferoverflow 9y ago
        Yes, but you're paying less taxes. So it's not as broken as people try to present.
        ceejayoz 9y ago
        As far as healthcare is concerned, we pay about the same amount of taxes as Europeans, plus more to private insurers/hospitals, for a total healthcare spending significantly larger than theirs. We also have worse outcomes for all that extra spending - stuff like life expectancy, child mortality, etc. I call that a broken system. Your continued attempts to conflate total taxes with healthcare spending are either silly/odd or deliberately intellectually dishonest, as we'd have to factor in every other variable between us and Europe in that comparison - road funding, foreign aid, military spending, college costs, social welfare programs, etc.

ceejayoz 9y ago

> It's cheaper than paying much higher taxes in most of the EU. This is demonstrably false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea...

bufferoverflow 9y ago
You're confusing GDP with taxes https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/taxrevenueaspctofgdplabeled.png https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/t...
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  No, I'm not. As indicated in my link, Americans pay the highest per-capita costs (be it via premiums/copays, taxes, etc.) for healthcare in the world.
  - bufferoverflow 9y ago
    No way Americans pay more in taxes than most of Europe. That's absolutely not true. If you want to compare to third world countries, I suggest you try and live there before telling us how great it is. You also have to consider that the US develops most novel drugs and therapies, by a wide margin. Are you taking and Chinese or Russian or African drugs? Neither do I.
    - ceejayoz 9y ago
      You can't compare Europe's total taxes with just American healthcare costs. They've made similar choices to pay for stuff like college via taxes instead of privately that heavily affect that comparison. Americans pay more than Europeans (and anyone else in the world) for healthcare. This is demonstrable fact. edit: Here, look at this one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_health_expenditure_per_capita_by_country.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_health_expenditure_p... We're paying as much or more than most of the OECD in healthcare from a tax perspective, then adding on a bunch of private spending they don't have, for a total spending wildly larger than any of them.
      - bufferoverflow 9y ago
        Yes, but you're paying less taxes. So it's not as broken as people try to present.
        ceejayoz 9y ago
        As far as healthcare is concerned, we pay about the same amount of taxes as Europeans, plus more to private insurers/hospitals, for a total healthcare spending significantly larger than theirs. We also have worse outcomes for all that extra spending - stuff like life expectancy, child mortality, etc. I call that a broken system. Your continued attempts to conflate total taxes with healthcare spending are either silly/odd or deliberately intellectually dishonest, as we'd have to factor in every other variable between us and Europe in that comparison - road funding, foreign aid, military spending, college costs, social welfare programs, etc.