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>How did this "deal" happen? Although no expert, I do know enough to possibly answer your question. This has been going on since the 60's and to some extend th
by snowpanda 9y ago
>How did this "deal" happen?
Although no expert, I do know enough to possibly answer your question. This has been going on since the 60's and to some extend the Universal Postal Union goes back to 1863[1]. At the time, when you wanted to mail a letter, it was fairly complex. You had to arrange for the details of your shipping for every route your letter took. Meaning you had to calculate for every leg of the shipment ahead of time. So they came up with these 3 points (From Wikipedia):
There should be a uniform flat rate to mail a letter anywhere in the world
Postal authorities should give equal treatment to foreign and domestic mail
Each country should retain all money it has collected for international postage. [2]
The problem is that this system hasn't really been updated that often. So rates do not make sense anymore, especially not since ecommerce took off.
Along came USPS and signed a special deal with China in 2010 to increase their presence in China (well, that's the official statement anyway[3]).
That statement however leaves out a very important part. Which is that USPS lost so much money under UNU, that although they had a net loss of $29.4 million in 2012[4]. They would have "lost another $1 million or so in 2012 had Chinese shippers opted for regular mail instead of ePacket."[4].
So basically the USPS was already losing a ton of money, and this is a way of minimizing the damage.
The real issue is that the broader picture isn't really taken into consideration. Which is, that China is literally sending things for rates cheaper than Amazon which is estimated to pay USPS $2 per package[5]. Take the fact that most items are manufactured in China for cheap anyway, and you have just signed away a lot of domestic business opportunities.
[1]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/01/i_mailed_a_letter_to_paris_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/20...
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Postal_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Postal_Union
[3]https://about.usps.com/news/national-releases/2011/pr11_037.pdf https://about.usps.com/news/national-releases/2011/pr11_037....
[4]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/09/12/the-postal-service-is-losing-millions-a-year-to-help-you-buy-cheap-stuff-from-china/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/09/12/...
[5]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-30/it-s-amazon-s-world-the-usps-just-delivers-in-it https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-30/it-s-amaz...
Anyone feel free to correct or add information, it's an interesting topic.
- baybal2 9y agoOnce upon a time (10 to 7) years ago, it did cost 60 cents or even less to send a small international parcel using China Post. The market rate for international postage was around 80 cents retail, but eCommerce companies can get volume discount down to 68 cents, and opt for provincial eCommerce development subsidies, which brought the price of postage down to 48c. I knew few Russians who made a non insignificant amount of money by going to China and setting up their own mail order dropshipping companies the same way locals did.
- tasty_freeze 9y ago> So basically the USPS was already losing a ton of money The USPS isn't losing a ton of money. It is profitable. The "loss" is that congress mandated that the USPS accumulate 75 years worth of employee retirement funds and gave them 10 years to do it. So they "lose" $5B a year because they are not able to pay that amount into a retirement fund.
- mikeash 9y agoDon’t knee jerk this as a political thing. They’re saying that the USPS loses money on this service. It has nothing to do with their overall profitability or Congressional action or whatever.
- 0xquad 9y agoAny idea why some hobby parts clearly shipped from Shenzhen come with Vanuatu franking? I.e. is the reason Chinese companies sometimes pretend to ship from Vanuatu related to postal agreements or something else (like other trade issues)?