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The problem is, US law has long eradicated "common sense" as a legal category. That's why you can get a compensation from a microwave manufacturer when you kill

by mamon 9y ago

The problem is, US law has long eradicated "common sense" as a legal category. That's why you can get a compensation from a microwave manufacturer when you kill your dog , trying to dry it in microwave after bath, because microwave manual does not explicitly forbid putting live animals inside. Appealing to common sense in the court of law is a lost cause.

naasking 9y ago
FALSE: https://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/microwavedpet.asp https://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/microwavedpet.asp https://www.out-law.com/page-3396 https://www.out-law.com/page-3396 It seriously pisses me off that people think the law and rulings made by judges and juries are absurd without knowing anything about the cases or rulings in question. It seriously smacks of arrogance, because these people are your peers, so you are implicitly claiming that you are smarter than all of them. I assure you, that's probably not the case, and in that same situation, you probably would have reached the same conclusion. There are always exceptions, but check your facts before assuming you're less of an idiot than others.
- aduitsis 9y ago
  Thank you. Anecdotal reports from counter-intuitive court rulings are subject to heavy survivor bias. I.e. there might be a million cases where justice (correctly) deemed absurd to prosecute a parent for letting the kids play outside. But they'll never make the news.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >It seriously pisses me off that people think the law and rulings made by judges and juries are absurd without knowing anything about the cases or rulings in question. It might piss you off, but there's a point to these stories. Italian's say "se non e vero, e ben trovato" (Even if it is not true, it is a good story). This is not about it being an entertaining story -- it's about it expressing a real fault in the legal system and its attitude, despite doing it using a non-factual case. In other words, the US legal system might not have THAT law, but the story remains true in a deeper level, in the sense that it is indeed the kind of system were such a law could be conceived or be remotely possible.
  - quesera 9y ago
    I think you just validated Sara Huckabee Sanders, to the extent that she speaks her independent thought.
    - coldtea 9y ago
      I might. Don't know who see is, not an American, had to google her. Do you have anything that can be considered an argument? Because my point, that a story doesn't have to be factually correct to still be indicative of a larger truth (and vise versa: a factually correct story might just be an outlier that doesn't prove anything universal of what it suggests) has been known since time immemorial.
      - dragontamer 9y ago
        > Because my point, that a story doesn't have to be factually correct to still be indicative of a larger truth At the moment, American Politics is all F'd up because Mr. Trump and his Press Team (led by Huckabee Sanders at the moment) relies on this. They plant false ideas like "The Crowd Size at the last rally was huge" into the American Public's mind, and then MAKE UP the larger truth in such a way that most benefits them. False stories are the bread-and-butter of Mr. Trump's press strategy right now.
        coldtea 9y ago
        >At the moment, American Politics is all F'd up because Mr. Trump and his Press Team (led by Huckabee Sanders at the moment) relies on this. I really doubt that they rely on non-true but otherwise representative of the truth stories. For one, they'll never admit those stories are not factually true. And even if they did so, those stories would still have to be representative of a larger truth, which they're not. So, no, false stories as pure lies are not the same as what I was talking about. We had those since the beginning of time too.
        quesera 9y ago

by mamon 9y ago

naasking 9y ago

FALSE: https://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/microwavedpet.asp https://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/microwavedpet.asp https://www.out-law.com/page-3396 https://www.out-law.com/page-3396 It seriously pisses me off that people think the law and rulings made by judges and juries are absurd without knowing anything about the cases or rulings in question. It seriously smacks of arrogance, because these people are your peers, so you are implicitly claiming that you are smarter than all of them. I assure you, that's probably not the case, and in that same situation, you probably would have reached the same conclusion. There are always exceptions, but check your facts before assuming you're less of an idiot than others.

aduitsis 9y ago
Thank you. Anecdotal reports from counter-intuitive court rulings are subject to heavy survivor bias. I.e. there might be a million cases where justice (correctly) deemed absurd to prosecute a parent for letting the kids play outside. But they'll never make the news.
coldtea 9y ago
>It seriously pisses me off that people think the law and rulings made by judges and juries are absurd without knowing anything about the cases or rulings in question. It might piss you off, but there's a point to these stories. Italian's say "se non e vero, e ben trovato" (Even if it is not true, it is a good story). This is not about it being an entertaining story -- it's about it expressing a real fault in the legal system and its attitude, despite doing it using a non-factual case. In other words, the US legal system might not have THAT law, but the story remains true in a deeper level, in the sense that it is indeed the kind of system were such a law could be conceived or be remotely possible.
- quesera 9y ago
  I think you just validated Sara Huckabee Sanders, to the extent that she speaks her independent thought.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    I might. Don't know who see is, not an American, had to google her. Do you have anything that can be considered an argument? Because my point, that a story doesn't have to be factually correct to still be indicative of a larger truth (and vise versa: a factually correct story might just be an outlier that doesn't prove anything universal of what it suggests) has been known since time immemorial.
    - dragontamer 9y ago
      > Because my point, that a story doesn't have to be factually correct to still be indicative of a larger truth At the moment, American Politics is all F'd up because Mr. Trump and his Press Team (led by Huckabee Sanders at the moment) relies on this. They plant false ideas like "The Crowd Size at the last rally was huge" into the American Public's mind, and then MAKE UP the larger truth in such a way that most benefits them. False stories are the bread-and-butter of Mr. Trump's press strategy right now.
      - coldtea 9y ago
        >At the moment, American Politics is all F'd up because Mr. Trump and his Press Team (led by Huckabee Sanders at the moment) relies on this. I really doubt that they rely on non-true but otherwise representative of the truth stories. For one, they'll never admit those stories are not factually true. And even if they did so, those stories would still have to be representative of a larger truth, which they're not. So, no, false stories as pure lies are not the same as what I was talking about. We had those since the beginning of time too.
        quesera 9y ago