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Youth activity is probably a factor. Some anecdata is that, in Sweden, January is usually the month when violent crime is at a very low point in the year. Young

by pimmen 9y ago

Youth activity is probably a factor. Some anecdata is that, in Sweden, January is usually the month when violent crime is at a very low point in the year. Young people don’t have any money to go out after spending it on Christmas and New Year’s, and it’s super cold so running around in town sucks.

interfixus 9y ago
You do realize who's behind the vast majority of violent crime in Swdeden, right? Hint: Many of them are not particularly known for celebrating Christmas.
- pimmen 9y ago
  Sweden doesn't record religion in the census. I'm very interested in seeing your source for your statements. And "the vast majority of violent crimes" does not mean that one group is more disproportionally represented. Don't throw around words you don't understand, such as "majority".
- ambentzen 9y ago
  If you are going to be a racist dick, at least be overt about it...
  - interfixus 9y ago
    Oh, but I probably am a racist dick. In this case, however, I don't need to be. A simple look at statistics will do fine. Another hint: It is not native young Swedes who have suddenly gone on a rampage and turned shootings, killings, and the occasional grenade into mundane, everyday background-noise in places like Malmø. Now your turn to be an overt anatomical metafor.
- interfixus 9y ago
  No amount of downvoting will contradict my claim. It's a simple matter of publicly available statistics.
  - rwmj 9y ago
    I think everyone is waiting for you to cite a properly peer-reviewed paper, or any sound evidence at all.
    - interfixus 9y ago
      And I am waiting for someone to come out and contradict me. Stating either that violent crime in Sweden has not gone up, or that it isn't perpetrated by those I claim are the foremost perpetrators. Or both. Anyone?
- tomrod 9y ago
  Interesting! Are you implicitly claiming non-Chtistmas-celebrating individuals are inherently less moral than Christmas-celebrating counterparts? I would love a citation to a survey of scientific studies supporting this claim. Mostly because I'm pretty sure it's bogus.
  - interfixus 9y ago
    No, I am not. I am claiming - or reporting, rather - that violent crime has escalated vastly in certain parts of Sweden, and that immigrants almost exclusively are behind this escalation.
    - tomrod 9y ago
      And you determined this, how? First hand observation and reporting? Raw reported data (which can have racial bias, if the majority culture reports higher against immigrants or minorities), or what? You made a bold claim regarding religious practice, and to my view you are now moving the goalposts by adding refugee/minority status into the claim. Should I assume no formal metastudies?
      - interfixus 9y ago
        From simple following of daily news. From frequent visits to Malmø over the years. From Malmø friends who are leaving or have already left because the situation is getting out of hand. From top officials in the Malmø police force, who report themselves unable to cope with the escalation. From the official Swedish bureau of statistics, whose numbers are crystal clear. Also, I do of course realize that this discussion is pointless and impossible, even in the supposedly rational environment of HN. So far, the only rebuttal I have seen has been "racist dick".
  - wfo 9y ago
    "Muslim immigrants are the primary source of all ills in previously snow-white European countries" and citing irrelevant or cherrypicked crime statistics is the prevailing racist ideologue talking point so it's important to recognize it as such and not engage with these people who don't deserve your attention. It is the go-to thing to post for daily stormer, 4chan, neo-nazi, alt-right psychopaths who spend their time trolling the internet posting about how they hate brown people and trying to convince more to do the same.
- sctb 9y ago
  Please don't violate the guidelines like this. We ban accounts that do. > Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - interfixus 9y ago
    As always, moderators have the final say, take it or leave it. I'm the first to acknowledge that, whether or not I agree with a specific decision. Interested, though, in a subcomment to see myself sort of likened to a "daily stormer, 4chan, neo-nazi, alt-right psychopath", and that comment apparently not getting censored, despite my flagging. I'm probably just being thick, but the ruleset is not immediately obvious to me.
    - sctb 9y ago
      Other comments are not the guidelines, the guidelines are the guidelines. Introducing a flamewar topic without anything (new or otherwise) to say about it is mentioned explicitly.

by pimmen 9y ago

interfixus 9y ago

You do realize who's behind the vast majority of violent crime in Swdeden, right? Hint: Many of them are not particularly known for celebrating Christmas.

pimmen 9y ago
Sweden doesn't record religion in the census. I'm very interested in seeing your source for your statements. And "the vast majority of violent crimes" does not mean that one group is more disproportionally represented. Don't throw around words you don't understand, such as "majority".
ambentzen 9y ago
If you are going to be a racist dick, at least be overt about it...
- interfixus 9y ago
  Oh, but I probably am a racist dick. In this case, however, I don't need to be. A simple look at statistics will do fine. Another hint: It is not native young Swedes who have suddenly gone on a rampage and turned shootings, killings, and the occasional grenade into mundane, everyday background-noise in places like Malmø. Now your turn to be an overt anatomical metafor.
interfixus 9y ago
No amount of downvoting will contradict my claim. It's a simple matter of publicly available statistics.
- rwmj 9y ago
  I think everyone is waiting for you to cite a properly peer-reviewed paper, or any sound evidence at all.
  - interfixus 9y ago
    And I am waiting for someone to come out and contradict me. Stating either that violent crime in Sweden has not gone up, or that it isn't perpetrated by those I claim are the foremost perpetrators. Or both. Anyone?
tomrod 9y ago
Interesting! Are you implicitly claiming non-Chtistmas-celebrating individuals are inherently less moral than Christmas-celebrating counterparts? I would love a citation to a survey of scientific studies supporting this claim. Mostly because I'm pretty sure it's bogus.
- interfixus 9y ago
  No, I am not. I am claiming - or reporting, rather - that violent crime has escalated vastly in certain parts of Sweden, and that immigrants almost exclusively are behind this escalation.
  - tomrod 9y ago
    And you determined this, how? First hand observation and reporting? Raw reported data (which can have racial bias, if the majority culture reports higher against immigrants or minorities), or what? You made a bold claim regarding religious practice, and to my view you are now moving the goalposts by adding refugee/minority status into the claim. Should I assume no formal metastudies?
    - interfixus 9y ago
      From simple following of daily news. From frequent visits to Malmø over the years. From Malmø friends who are leaving or have already left because the situation is getting out of hand. From top officials in the Malmø police force, who report themselves unable to cope with the escalation. From the official Swedish bureau of statistics, whose numbers are crystal clear. Also, I do of course realize that this discussion is pointless and impossible, even in the supposedly rational environment of HN. So far, the only rebuttal I have seen has been "racist dick".
- wfo 9y ago
  "Muslim immigrants are the primary source of all ills in previously snow-white European countries" and citing irrelevant or cherrypicked crime statistics is the prevailing racist ideologue talking point so it's important to recognize it as such and not engage with these people who don't deserve your attention. It is the go-to thing to post for daily stormer, 4chan, neo-nazi, alt-right psychopaths who spend their time trolling the internet posting about how they hate brown people and trying to convince more to do the same.
sctb 9y ago
Please don't violate the guidelines like this. We ban accounts that do. > Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- interfixus 9y ago
  As always, moderators have the final say, take it or leave it. I'm the first to acknowledge that, whether or not I agree with a specific decision. Interested, though, in a subcomment to see myself sort of likened to a "daily stormer, 4chan, neo-nazi, alt-right psychopath", and that comment apparently not getting censored, despite my flagging. I'm probably just being thick, but the ruleset is not immediately obvious to me.
  - sctb 9y ago
    Other comments are not the guidelines, the guidelines are the guidelines. Introducing a flamewar topic without anything (new or otherwise) to say about it is mentioned explicitly.