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Crime rates are dropping almost everywhere; the exceptions are short term increases during episodes of societal disruption (e.g. wars). One of the reasons Japa
by cperciva 9y ago
Crime rates are dropping almost everywhere; the exceptions are short term increases during episodes of societal disruption (e.g. wars).
One of the reasons Japan's rate is so low is that they're ahead of other countries in the race to grow old; the vast majority of crime, and especially violent crime, is committed by young people.
- pimmen 9y agoYouth activity is probably a factor. Some anecdata is that, in Sweden, January is usually the month when violent crime is at a very low point in the year. Young people don’t have any money to go out after spending it on Christmas and New Year’s, and it’s super cold so running around in town sucks.
- interfixus 9y agoYou do realize who's behind the vast majority of violent crime in Swdeden, right? Hint: Many of them are not particularly known for celebrating Christmas.
- pimmen 9y agoSweden doesn't record religion in the census. I'm very interested in seeing your source for your statements. And "the vast majority of violent crimes" does not mean that one group is more disproportionally represented. Don't throw around words you don't understand, such as "majority".
- ambentzen 9y agoIf you are going to be a racist dick, at least be overt about it...
- interfixus 9y agoOh, but I probably am a racist dick. In this case, however, I don't need to be. A simple look at statistics will do fine. Another hint: It is not native young Swedes who have suddenly gone on a rampage and turned shootings, killings, and the occasional grenade into mundane, everyday background-noise in places like Malmø. Now your turn to be an overt anatomical metafor.
- interfixus 9y agoNo amount of downvoting will contradict my claim. It's a simple matter of publicly available statistics.
- rwmj 9y agoI think everyone is waiting for you to cite a properly peer-reviewed paper, or any sound evidence at all.
- interfixus 9y agoAnd I am waiting for someone to come out and contradict me. Stating either that violent crime in Sweden has not gone up, or that it isn't perpetrated by those I claim are the foremost perpetrators. Or both. Anyone?
- tomrod 9y agoInteresting! Are you implicitly claiming non-Chtistmas-celebrating individuals are inherently less moral than Christmas-celebrating counterparts? I would love a citation to a survey of scientific studies supporting this claim. Mostly because I'm pretty sure it's bogus.
- interfixus 9y agoNo, I am not. I am claiming - or reporting, rather - that violent crime has escalated vastly in certain parts of Sweden, and that immigrants almost exclusively are behind this escalation.
- tomrod 9y agoAnd you determined this, how? First hand observation and reporting? Raw reported data (which can have racial bias, if the majority culture reports higher against immigrants or minorities), or what? You made a bold claim regarding religious practice, and to my view you are now moving the goalposts by adding refugee/minority status into the claim. Should I assume no formal metastudies?
- interfixus 9y agoFrom simple following of daily news. From frequent visits to Malmø over the years. From Malmø friends who are leaving or have already left because the situation is getting out of hand. From top officials in the Malmø police force, who report themselves unable to cope with the escalation. From the official Swedish bureau of statistics, whose numbers are crystal clear. Also, I do of course realize that this discussion is pointless and impossible, even in the supposedly rational environment of HN. So far, the only rebuttal I have seen has been "racist dick".
- wfo 9y ago"Muslim immigrants are the primary source of all ills in previously snow-white European countries" and citing irrelevant or cherrypicked crime statistics is the prevailing racist ideologue talking point so it's important to recognize it as such and not engage with these people who don't deserve your attention. It is the go-to thing to post for daily stormer, 4chan, neo-nazi, alt-right psychopaths who spend their time trolling the internet posting about how they hate brown people and trying to convince more to do the same.
- sctb 9y agoPlease don't violate the guidelines like this. We ban accounts that do. > Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- interfixus 9y agoAs always, moderators have the final say, take it or leave it. I'm the first to acknowledge that, whether or not I agree with a specific decision. Interested, though, in a subcomment to see myself sort of likened to a "daily stormer, 4chan, neo-nazi, alt-right psychopath", and that comment apparently not getting censored, despite my flagging. I'm probably just being thick, but the ruleset is not immediately obvious to me.
- sctb 9y agoOther comments are not the guidelines, the guidelines are the guidelines. Introducing a flamewar topic without anything (new or otherwise) to say about it is mentioned explicitly.
- glandium 9y agoThere's actually an increase in e.g. theft by elders.
- vardhanw 9y agoThis recent news of a 74 year old "ninja-thief" comes to mind http://time.com/4997946/ninja-of-heisei-thief-japan/ http://time.com/4997946/ninja-of-heisei-thief-japan/
- arca_vorago 9y agoI just imagine somewhere Masaaki Hatsumi telling one of his old friends hes getting too old to be up to his old tricks...
- ch4s3 9y agoAnd the purple hair is a dead giveaway
- gozur88 9y ago"The police said before he was caught he was able to run on top of the walls with ease, rather than in the street." That's... pretty impressive for a guy that old.
- eru 9y ago> [...] the vast majority of crime, and especially violent crime, is committed by young people. Or to be more precise: young males.
- whatshisface 9y agoThat wouldn't be relevant; Japan is skewing old, but doesn't have a similar gender imbalance. Edit: to clarify, I am saying that Japan does not have a gender ratio all that different from other countries - meaning that gender differences shed no light on its crime rates. It's an irrelevant statistic.
- jfoutz 9y agoThat's amazing! "A 2013 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that males accounted for about 96 percent of all homicide perpetrators worldwide."[1]. I wonder what's so unique about Japanese culture that keeps homicide rates by gender in balance? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime#Worldwide_homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime#World...
- cperciva 9y agoMales are more likely to commit crimes, yes; but not necessarily as much as conviction statistics would suggest. There is systematic under-reporting and under-prosecution of crimes committed by females, which seems to be driven largely by a perception that women are "harmless".
- eru 9y agoThey are probably committing different kinds of infractions, too. Some of them more criminalised than others.