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Wow, you were very quick at turning correlations into causations there. Canada also has a very low crime rate but has a very multicultural society, same thing w

by pimmen 9y ago

Wow, you were very quick at turning correlations into causations there. Canada also has a very low crime rate but has a very multicultural society, same thing with Singapore. Rethoric like that could also get your case into trouble. By your logic, their monoculturalism, aversion to immigration and high work ethics created a decade of poor economic growth and deflation. I should add that I took public transportation around Gothenburg all the time from 10 years old. Is Sweden a monocultural country with high aversion to immigration and good work ethics?

Sharlin 9y ago
I have no idea why you were downvoted. The GP is basically the dictionary definition of cum hoc ergo propter hoc.
- krapp 9y ago
  Invoking Japanese culture as an exemplar of a successful society based on the enforcement of ethnic purity and homogeneity has become a bit of a rhetorical hobbyhorse for right and alt-right wingers, of which there are many on HN.
C6C6C6C 9y ago
> same thing with Singapore. I don't know much about Canada as to whether your suggestions are true or not (statistics are so easy to manipulate) but Singapore is a terrible example to give in just about any context. Singapore did manage to lower crime in a multicultural aka multiconflictual society. It did so by destroying an individual's freedom and enforcing the rule of law the most brutal way possible. We are talking about a country that puts you in jail for blaspheming religion or even just littering. Singapore also banned homosexuality. Actually I wouldn't mind if we were to follow Singapore's example of enforced social harmony, go ahead, it will be funny to watch the left in the west go crazy over freedom issues like when Singapore banned foreign preachers from entering their territory. The only, single thing that is similar between a leftist wet dream and Singapore is multiculturalism. Everything else about Singapore is not a leftist dream but their very nightmare. And it's that "everything else" that allowed multiculturalism to even work there. Heck, Singapore only exists as a city state because they found it impossible to coexist with the muslim majority country. You should read up some history on the founding of that very young country. I'm nowhere near interested enough to try to look up things about a boring country like Canada but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't end all that well for it if I were to. Because so far, every single time I've seen leftist multuculturalism defenders talk about countries I do know something about, it has been a really good joke.
- pimmen 9y ago
  I pointed out that just looking at multiculturalism and crime rate of a single country is very bad research, you are the one drawing parallels to ”leftist multiculturalism” propaganda. It’s a discussion about bad and simplistic deduction, i.e the ”correlation is causation” fallacy. But, just for the record: yes, I’m very well aware of the conflicts and race riots during the founding of Singapore (and the fact that they were not a developed economy or deomcracy yet either) but the statement of the GP was basically ”Japan has low multiculturalism and low crime rate, thus multiculturalism causes crime”. That’s why I said that by that logic monoculturalism causes deflation and low economic growth.
vixen99 9y ago
Perhaps you choose a city that supports your case. What about Malmö? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/12103667/Suddenly-the-Swedes-are-talking-about-their-refugee-problem.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/1210...
- pimmen 9y ago
  I have relatives who lives in Malmö, they did the same thing when they were 10. Gothenburg is larger than Malmö, but Malmö is admittedly more multicultural (about 40% are foreign born compared to Gothenburg’s 25%). However, the island of Hisingen in Gothenburg is very high up on the list of shootings per capita. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/lista-over-samtliga-skottlossningar-i-goteborg-2014 https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/lista-over-samtliga-s...

by pimmen 9y ago

Sharlin 9y ago

I have no idea why you were downvoted. The GP is basically the dictionary definition of cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

krapp 9y ago
Invoking Japanese culture as an exemplar of a successful society based on the enforcement of ethnic purity and homogeneity has become a bit of a rhetorical hobbyhorse for right and alt-right wingers, of which there are many on HN.

C6C6C6C 9y ago

> same thing with Singapore. I don't know much about Canada as to whether your suggestions are true or not (statistics are so easy to manipulate) but Singapore is a terrible example to give in just about any context. Singapore did manage to lower crime in a multicultural aka multiconflictual society. It did so by destroying an individual's freedom and enforcing the rule of law the most brutal way possible. We are talking about a country that puts you in jail for blaspheming religion or even just littering. Singapore also banned homosexuality. Actually I wouldn't mind if we were to follow Singapore's example of enforced social harmony, go ahead, it will be funny to watch the left in the west go crazy over freedom issues like when Singapore banned foreign preachers from entering their territory. The only, single thing that is similar between a leftist wet dream and Singapore is multiculturalism. Everything else about Singapore is not a leftist dream but their very nightmare. And it's that "everything else" that allowed multiculturalism to even work there. Heck, Singapore only exists as a city state because they found it impossible to coexist with the muslim majority country. You should read up some history on the founding of that very young country. I'm nowhere near interested enough to try to look up things about a boring country like Canada but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't end all that well for it if I were to. Because so far, every single time I've seen leftist multuculturalism defenders talk about countries I do know something about, it has been a really good joke.

pimmen 9y ago
I pointed out that just looking at multiculturalism and crime rate of a single country is very bad research, you are the one drawing parallels to ”leftist multiculturalism” propaganda. It’s a discussion about bad and simplistic deduction, i.e the ”correlation is causation” fallacy. But, just for the record: yes, I’m very well aware of the conflicts and race riots during the founding of Singapore (and the fact that they were not a developed economy or deomcracy yet either) but the statement of the GP was basically ”Japan has low multiculturalism and low crime rate, thus multiculturalism causes crime”. That’s why I said that by that logic monoculturalism causes deflation and low economic growth.

vixen99 9y ago

Perhaps you choose a city that supports your case. What about Malmö? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/12103667/Suddenly-the-Swedes-are-talking-about-their-refugee-problem.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/1210...

pimmen 9y ago
I have relatives who lives in Malmö, they did the same thing when they were 10. Gothenburg is larger than Malmö, but Malmö is admittedly more multicultural (about 40% are foreign born compared to Gothenburg’s 25%). However, the island of Hisingen in Gothenburg is very high up on the list of shootings per capita. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/lista-over-samtliga-skottlossningar-i-goteborg-2014 https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/lista-over-samtliga-s...