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I respect anarchists for offering thorough criticisms of the democratic status quo that too many people take for granted. I would even like to see a few thousa
by kijin 9y ago
I respect anarchists for offering thorough criticisms of the democratic status quo that too many people take for granted.
I would even like to see a few thousand anarchists start their own society and try to put their theories into practice on an artificial island or something. Even if they all need to be rescued by UN forces at the end of the day, the experiment will provide the rest of humanity with valuable insights that philosophers and anthropologists can grapple with for decades to come.
For my taste, though, both anarchism and libertarianism seem to be based on an overly optimistic view of human nature. Maybe they'll become more realistic once we've either evolved or augmented ourselves to a much higher level of intelligence and conscience.
- wav-part 9y agoFor my taste, though, both anarchism and libertarianism seem to be based on an overly optimistic view of human nature. Democracy is too optimistic for some parts in the world as well. No system such as (Autocracy/Democracy/AnCap) can work without certain level of cooperation from everyone involved. True AnCap requires most and never-seen-before amount of cooperation but if possible, it does give/predict awesome results. Maybe they'll become more realistic once we've either evolved or augmented ourselves to a much higher level of intelligence and conscience. Some of us already have :).
- badosu 9y agoSome of us already have :). What do you mean by that?
- wav-part 9y agoIts a jab. AnCap is next evolutionary stage of a society (atleast for some socities). Autocracy --> Democracy --> AnCap. Not quite there ofcourse but they are getting there: https://www.seasteading.org/floating-city-project/ https://www.seasteading.org/floating-city-project/ https://www.freesociety.com/ https://www.freesociety.com/
- confounded 9y agoBy cooperation, do you not mean subordination?
- wav-part 9y agoIn autocracy, cooperation can be called subordination. But not otherwise.
- JetSpiegel 9y agoI would argue anarchism has been tried in the past, it was simply called feudalism. Since it lead to the Dark Ages, there's not much support for it nowadays.
- danharaj 9y agoThat is a really hot take. Anarchism developed as a response to industrialization and the transformation of society caused by the adoption of capitalist modes of production.
- gbacon 9y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Commonwealth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Commonwealth
- jessaustin 9y agoAnarchy is opposition to arbitrary authority. Wasn't feudalism the opposite of that?
- TheCoelacanth 9y agoThat's absurb. Anarchism is a system completely without land ownership (i.e. "property is theft"). Feudalism is a system based almost entirely around land ownership (named after the word feodum meaning a grant of land in exchange for service).
- LyndsySimon 9y ago> Anarchism is a system completely without land ownership (i.e. "property is theft") Not all forms of anarchism subscribe to this.
- kiliantics 9y ago> I would even like to see a few thousand anarchists start their own society and try to put their theories into practice There have already been many experiments in anarchy. They are usually not widely known, probably because the powers that be don't want people to be getting too many ideas. Most experiments get crushed by state power and don't last long. Some famous examples include: - Rojava Kurdistan in Northern Syria. This is a region of several autonomous communities, together comprising several million people, all self-determined but federated together with common values. Technically not anarchist but "Democratic Confederalist" - a new ideology proposed by former Marxist leader of Kurdish Worker's Party, Ocalan, who was inspired by anarchist Murray Bookchin. These are the guys with the female YPJ military that were kicking ISIS ass. This region is under heavy threat from Turkey and others and the international community refuses to recognise it, making trade difficult. - Christiania in Copenhagen. This one is still going and has made deals with the state that result in some compromise but allowed them to maintain their autonomy. There are many similar squats/communes to this across Europe. - Parts of Chiapas, Mexico. Somewhat under autonomous control by the Zapatistas - Catalonia during the Spanish civil war. Taken advantage of by other socialists and the USSR and ultimately crushed by Franco. - Ukraine Free Territory during the early stages of the Russian revolution. Eventually taken over by the soviets. None of these situations needed rescuing from UN forces. It's usually the same people who make up the UN that are actually the ones that cause their experiment to fail.