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just about anything people invest time into is going to have some sort of value, 'despite faults'. that doesn't really speak to the value of progress, reflecti

by abiox 9y ago

just about anything people invest time into is going to have some sort of value, 'despite faults'. that doesn't really speak to the value of progress, reflecting on the status quo, or creating something fresh with lessons learned from the past. i don't really get the 'leave you be' bit.

krapp 9y ago
>i don't really get the 'leave you be' bit. Simple. More than a few people here seem to believe, as the grandparent comment suggests, that the web is a lost cause, or irredeemable, and all those people seem to want to do is to constantly complain about it. I'm simply suggesting that if people feel the web has nothing to offer them, that it would be more productive for them to kindly leave it for a network that better suits their needs. Otherwise, rather than wanting to "fork the web and start over" they could consider working to improve what we have.
- abiox 9y ago
  viewing the web as a lost cause or irredeemable is not the same as saying it has nothing to offer. 'leaving the web' also doesn't seem very pragmatic, at least until something better is available.
  - krapp 9y ago
    >viewing the web as a lost cause or irredeemable is not the same as saying it has nothing to offer I disagree - if it has something to offer then it's not a lost cause. A lost cause by definition isn't worth saving, or even engaging with. > 'leaving the web' also doesn't seem very pragmatic, at least until something better is available. The comment I replied to earlier suggested that the only reasonable solution to the web was to fork it or start over, with starting over being preferable. I'm merely suggesting that someone should actually get started on that. Or maybe revive Gopher. I hear that's still around.
    - abiox 9y ago
      people can get started on that, and probably are. but the web exists, and the web is pervasive. it doesn't make any sense to abandon it until a replacement arrives... just as it makes no sense to simply abandon gas engines (and what, walk?) before electric ones are ready to replace them. the real question is whether the New Thing can avoid the problems of it's predecessor.
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- thomastjeffery 9y ago
  > all those people seem to want to do is to constantly complain about it. Why are you taking those complaints so personally? You don't need us to be content with the status quo. If all we are doing is complaining, we really aren't doing anything to you.

by abiox 9y ago

krapp 9y ago

>i don't really get the 'leave you be' bit. Simple. More than a few people here seem to believe, as the grandparent comment suggests, that the web is a lost cause, or irredeemable, and all those people seem to want to do is to constantly complain about it. I'm simply suggesting that if people feel the web has nothing to offer them, that it would be more productive for them to kindly leave it for a network that better suits their needs. Otherwise, rather than wanting to "fork the web and start over" they could consider working to improve what we have.

abiox 9y ago
viewing the web as a lost cause or irredeemable is not the same as saying it has nothing to offer. 'leaving the web' also doesn't seem very pragmatic, at least until something better is available.
- krapp 9y ago
  >viewing the web as a lost cause or irredeemable is not the same as saying it has nothing to offer I disagree - if it has something to offer then it's not a lost cause. A lost cause by definition isn't worth saving, or even engaging with. > 'leaving the web' also doesn't seem very pragmatic, at least until something better is available. The comment I replied to earlier suggested that the only reasonable solution to the web was to fork it or start over, with starting over being preferable. I'm merely suggesting that someone should actually get started on that. Or maybe revive Gopher. I hear that's still around.
  - abiox 9y ago
    people can get started on that, and probably are. but the web exists, and the web is pervasive. it doesn't make any sense to abandon it until a replacement arrives... just as it makes no sense to simply abandon gas engines (and what, walk?) before electric ones are ready to replace them. the real question is whether the New Thing can avoid the problems of it's predecessor.
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thomastjeffery 9y ago
> all those people seem to want to do is to constantly complain about it. Why are you taking those complaints so personally? You don't need us to be content with the status quo. If all we are doing is complaining, we really aren't doing anything to you.