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> Rape is much more common than false accusations of rape. i'd wager that's true of every crime, from thievery to murder. what you're suggesting is to treat e

by abiox 9y ago

> Rape is much more common than false accusations of rape. i'd wager that's true of every crime, from thievery to murder. what you're suggesting is to treat every accusation as true.

ZeroGravitas 9y ago
I think they're saying that a massive percentage, about 98% of rape accusations will be true. And even when rape accusations are false, they're primarily not what the fertile imaginations of HN imagine, which seems to be women who've taken a dislike to some nerdy colleague for no reason, or the willing partner who decides later that it was actually rape. In reality, the majority of them are very young girls, or cheating wives, who need to come up with some alibi for their parents or husband and so invent a classic stranger with a knife rape scenario rather than point the finger at some innocent person. Often they don't even intend to go to the police but the parent who they lied to files on their behalf. https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations/ https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations... 10% of false rape reports may be made by people in the hope of recieving medical care they need for other reasons, which is a tragic statistic in itself.
- abiox 9y ago
  your link states: "To classify a case as a false allegation, a thorough investigation must yield evidence that a crime did not occur." 2-10% provably false allegations does not mean 90-98% are true. i have little doubt that most allegations speak to truth, but it also seems to me that trying to manipulate numbers in this way isn't beneficial.
  - tfha 9y ago
    Also, if we construct our society such that making false accusations is a way to get what you want, certainly the number of false accusations will rise.
  - ZeroGravitas 9y ago
    I can't find that text in my link, and it actually argues the opposite, that some of the cases ruled "false" by many studies are probably actually true. But you're missing my main point, if, as one study found, 78% of false rape claims involve claims of weapons, gang rape or physical injury then it's not going to happen during a Silicon Valley office Christmas party. The raw numbers are paired with a narrative, when really the real data blows the narrative apart.
    - abiox 9y ago
      > I can't find that text in my link sorry, i was unclear. it's found in the link under "only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false".
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by abiox 9y ago

> Rape is much more common than false accusations of rape. i'd wager that's true of every crime, from thievery to murder. what you're suggesting is to treat every accusation as true.

ZeroGravitas 9y ago

I think they're saying that a massive percentage, about 98% of rape accusations will be true. And even when rape accusations are false, they're primarily not what the fertile imaginations of HN imagine, which seems to be women who've taken a dislike to some nerdy colleague for no reason, or the willing partner who decides later that it was actually rape. In reality, the majority of them are very young girls, or cheating wives, who need to come up with some alibi for their parents or husband and so invent a classic stranger with a knife rape scenario rather than point the finger at some innocent person. Often they don't even intend to go to the police but the parent who they lied to files on their behalf. https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations/ https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations... 10% of false rape reports may be made by people in the hope of recieving medical care they need for other reasons, which is a tragic statistic in itself.

abiox 9y ago
your link states: "To classify a case as a false allegation, a thorough investigation must yield evidence that a crime did not occur." 2-10% provably false allegations does not mean 90-98% are true. i have little doubt that most allegations speak to truth, but it also seems to me that trying to manipulate numbers in this way isn't beneficial.
- tfha 9y ago
  Also, if we construct our society such that making false accusations is a way to get what you want, certainly the number of false accusations will rise.
- ZeroGravitas 9y ago
  I can't find that text in my link, and it actually argues the opposite, that some of the cases ruled "false" by many studies are probably actually true. But you're missing my main point, if, as one study found, 78% of false rape claims involve claims of weapons, gang rape or physical injury then it's not going to happen during a Silicon Valley office Christmas party. The raw numbers are paired with a narrative, when really the real data blows the narrative apart.
  - abiox 9y ago
    > I can't find that text in my link sorry, i was unclear. it's found in the link under "only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false".

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