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Yeah, because developing those pays off in other ways. And Mozilla has a contract with Cliqz that requires them to deanonymize the data and with Google to not

by Sylos 9y ago

Yeah, because developing those pays off in other ways. And Mozilla has a contract with Cliqz that requires them to deanonymize the data and with Google to not use the data for anything else. It's perfectly possible to cooperate with companies that otherwise disrespect privacy in a privacy-respecting way, believe it or not. And just because Chromium doesn't have Google Analytics in it, doesn't mean it's not worse for privacy. Google for example uses your browsing history and bookmarks for profiling you, if you sign up to Chrome Sync.

kuschku 9y ago
> It's perfectly possible to cooperate with companies that otherwise disrespect privacy in a privacy-respecting way, believe it or not. Yes, and the Google Chrome versions for Enterprises and Education have the exact same contractual clause that Mozilla has w.r.t. Google Analytics. So either you trust this clause, or you don’t – in both cases, you need to trust Google.
- Sylos 9y ago
  Right. What relevance does Chrome for Enterprise/Education having this clause when neither Chrome for normal people nor Chromium have this clause? I do mostly trust Google, if they're legally bound to not do the things that I don't want them to do. The sanctions for privacy law violations being essentially nonexistent makes it often hard to, because those sanctions are then usually just yet another bullet point in their cost calculations, but contractual violations have much higher sanctions, so I don't see a particular problem there.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    From May 2018 on, the sanctions for privacy law violations of EU citizen is 4% of global revenue, or 20 million, whatever is larger. And when governments and universities switch to Chrome, people stick with what they're used to, and will use that at home, too. In the last 2 months 15% of Firefox' German userbase left for Chrome.

by Sylos 9y ago

kuschku 9y ago

> It's perfectly possible to cooperate with companies that otherwise disrespect privacy in a privacy-respecting way, believe it or not. Yes, and the Google Chrome versions for Enterprises and Education have the exact same contractual clause that Mozilla has w.r.t. Google Analytics. So either you trust this clause, or you don’t – in both cases, you need to trust Google.

Sylos 9y ago
Right. What relevance does Chrome for Enterprise/Education having this clause when neither Chrome for normal people nor Chromium have this clause? I do mostly trust Google, if they're legally bound to not do the things that I don't want them to do. The sanctions for privacy law violations being essentially nonexistent makes it often hard to, because those sanctions are then usually just yet another bullet point in their cost calculations, but contractual violations have much higher sanctions, so I don't see a particular problem there.
- kuschku 9y ago
  From May 2018 on, the sanctions for privacy law violations of EU citizen is 4% of global revenue, or 20 million, whatever is larger. And when governments and universities switch to Chrome, people stick with what they're used to, and will use that at home, too. In the last 2 months 15% of Firefox' German userbase left for Chrome.