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This is good. Not nearly enough but good. Certain things - MDMA, LSD, GHB - should be legal and regulated. They are all things that have the potential to make

This is good. Not nearly enough but good. Certain things - MDMA, LSD, GHB - should be legal and regulated. They are all things that have the potential to make lives of many people significantly better. They certainly made mine better. Drugs should be manufactured in a reliable way, researched, and educated about.

pimeys 9y ago
Wait, GHB? Are we talking about the liquid that can be either a solvent GBL or cooked with baking soda to neutralize it to GHB and make it less dangerous? Two millilitres too much of GBL and you pass out, a bit more with GHB. Of course if you can keep it in control, you can have lots of fun. But I wouldn't list it with MDMA and LSD, which are tremendously more safe than GHB.
- Broken_Hippo 9y ago
  Ok. Lets take a look at how this would be administered legally. I'm going to assume they'll have measured doses with the precision of a prescription drug. It'll probably be cut with some food-grade and safe substance to make it easier to measure as an alternative. If dosage is dependent on body mass, the store employee measures this before dispensing your dose. There is a strict limit on the number of doses a person can safely buy.
  - pimeys 9y ago
    There needs to be somebody with a pipette dosing the right amount, keeping track of the time that you don't take the next dose in less than an hour and guards to prevent you from drinking alcohol. Or we have lots of naked people climbing to the trees, fainted or dead. We've seen this in the Berlin gay community. People don't know how to dose GBL, almost nobody knows how to cook GHB. It's common to have an ambulance coming to the clubs every weekend to pick up another overdose. GHB feels like a better alcohol when done right, but it is notoriously hard to dose right. You might not feel anything after 45 minutes of the first dose, drink more and pass out.
    - Broken_Hippo 9y ago
      That'd be basically what I'd push for - someone with a pipette dosing the right amount. One only gets their dose with ID from a licensed administrator, who would also know how to do all the prep safely. Plus we could do all the education stuff - informing folks about not feeling it for a time. Then again, if it proves to be too dangerous in legal setting, perhaps we could work on researching a safer alternative with similar effects.
whiddershins 9y ago
How can you know which drugs do and don’t make people’s lives better? There’s so much misinformation around this topic, I really have no idea whether cocaine is actually a drug that can be used to benefit, Aleister Crowley certainly claimed so, or meth, or who knows.
- heavenlyblue 9y ago
  If it makes my life better and I know a few people who said that it also makes their lifes better - then surely it makes someone else's life better. Now you could argue that it may also make someone else's life better, but we can't yet make any official research on the topic due to the legal framework against drugs. On the misinformation clause - I can't say there's much misinformation on the dosages and expected effects on the hard reduction websites. They do their job well.
- techload 9y ago
  93. DE MEDICINIS SECUNDUM QUATTUOR ELEMENTA. (On the Chemical Agents According to the Four Elements) Concerning the Use of chemical Agents, and be mindful that thou abuse them not, learn that the Sacrament itself relateth to Spirit, and the Four Elements balanced thereunder in its Perfection. So also thy Lion himself hath a fourfold Menstruum for his Serpents. Now to Fire belong Cocaine, which fortifieth the Will, loosing him from bodily Fatigue, Morphine, which purifieth the Mind, making the Thought safe, and slow, and single, Heroin which partaketh as it seemeth, of he Nature of these twain aforesaid albeit in Degree less notable than either of them, and Alcohol, which is Food, that is, Fuel, for the whole Man. To Water, attribute Hashish and Mescal, for they make Images, and they open the hidden Springs of Pleasure and of Beauty. Morphine, for its Ease, hath also part in Water. Air ruleth Ethyl Oxide, for it is as a Sword, dividing asunder ever Part of thee, making easy the Way of Analysis, so that thou comest to learn thyself of what Elements thou art compact. Lastly, of the Nature of Earth are the direct Hypnotics, which operate by Repose, and restore thy Strength by laying thee as a Child in the Arms of the Great Mother, I say rather of Her material and physiological Vicegerent. 94. DE VIRTUTE EXPERIMENTIAE IN HOC ARTE. (On the Virtue of Experience in this Art) Not Sleep, not Rest, not Contentment are of the Will of the Hero, but these Things he hateth, and consenteth to enjoy them only with Same of his weak Nature. But he will analyse himself without Pity, and he will do all Things soever that may free and fortify his Mind and Will. Know that the Technick of the Right Use of this Magick with Poisons is subtle; and since the Nature of every Man differeth from that of his Fellow, there entereth Idiosyncrasy, and thine Experience shall be thy Master in this Art. Heed also this Word following: The Right Use of these Agents is to gain a Knowledge preliminary of thine own Powers, and of High States, so that thou goest not altogether blindly and without Aim in thy Quest, ignorant of the Ways of thine own inner Being. Also, thou must work always for a definite End, never for Pleasure or for Relaxation, except thy wilt, as a good Knight is sworn to do. And thou being Hero and Magician art in Peril of abusing the fiery Agents only, not those of Earth, Air or Water; because these do really work with thee in Purity, making thee wholly what thou wouldst be, an Engine indefatigable, a Mind clear, calm, and concentrated, and a Heart fierce aglow.

pimeys 9y ago

Wait, GHB? Are we talking about the liquid that can be either a solvent GBL or cooked with baking soda to neutralize it to GHB and make it less dangerous? Two millilitres too much of GBL and you pass out, a bit more with GHB. Of course if you can keep it in control, you can have lots of fun. But I wouldn't list it with MDMA and LSD, which are tremendously more safe than GHB.

Broken_Hippo 9y ago
Ok. Lets take a look at how this would be administered legally. I'm going to assume they'll have measured doses with the precision of a prescription drug. It'll probably be cut with some food-grade and safe substance to make it easier to measure as an alternative. If dosage is dependent on body mass, the store employee measures this before dispensing your dose. There is a strict limit on the number of doses a person can safely buy.
- pimeys 9y ago
  There needs to be somebody with a pipette dosing the right amount, keeping track of the time that you don't take the next dose in less than an hour and guards to prevent you from drinking alcohol. Or we have lots of naked people climbing to the trees, fainted or dead. We've seen this in the Berlin gay community. People don't know how to dose GBL, almost nobody knows how to cook GHB. It's common to have an ambulance coming to the clubs every weekend to pick up another overdose. GHB feels like a better alcohol when done right, but it is notoriously hard to dose right. You might not feel anything after 45 minutes of the first dose, drink more and pass out.
  - Broken_Hippo 9y ago
    That'd be basically what I'd push for - someone with a pipette dosing the right amount. One only gets their dose with ID from a licensed administrator, who would also know how to do all the prep safely. Plus we could do all the education stuff - informing folks about not feeling it for a time. Then again, if it proves to be too dangerous in legal setting, perhaps we could work on researching a safer alternative with similar effects.

whiddershins 9y ago

How can you know which drugs do and don’t make people’s lives better? There’s so much misinformation around this topic, I really have no idea whether cocaine is actually a drug that can be used to benefit, Aleister Crowley certainly claimed so, or meth, or who knows.

heavenlyblue 9y ago
If it makes my life better and I know a few people who said that it also makes their lifes better - then surely it makes someone else's life better. Now you could argue that it may also make someone else's life better, but we can't yet make any official research on the topic due to the legal framework against drugs. On the misinformation clause - I can't say there's much misinformation on the dosages and expected effects on the hard reduction websites. They do their job well.
techload 9y ago
93. DE MEDICINIS SECUNDUM QUATTUOR ELEMENTA. (On the Chemical Agents According to the Four Elements) Concerning the Use of chemical Agents, and be mindful that thou abuse them not, learn that the Sacrament itself relateth to Spirit, and the Four Elements balanced thereunder in its Perfection. So also thy Lion himself hath a fourfold Menstruum for his Serpents. Now to Fire belong Cocaine, which fortifieth the Will, loosing him from bodily Fatigue, Morphine, which purifieth the Mind, making the Thought safe, and slow, and single, Heroin which partaketh as it seemeth, of he Nature of these twain aforesaid albeit in Degree less notable than either of them, and Alcohol, which is Food, that is, Fuel, for the whole Man. To Water, attribute Hashish and Mescal, for they make Images, and they open the hidden Springs of Pleasure and of Beauty. Morphine, for its Ease, hath also part in Water. Air ruleth Ethyl Oxide, for it is as a Sword, dividing asunder ever Part of thee, making easy the Way of Analysis, so that thou comest to learn thyself of what Elements thou art compact. Lastly, of the Nature of Earth are the direct Hypnotics, which operate by Repose, and restore thy Strength by laying thee as a Child in the Arms of the Great Mother, I say rather of Her material and physiological Vicegerent. 94. DE VIRTUTE EXPERIMENTIAE IN HOC ARTE. (On the Virtue of Experience in this Art) Not Sleep, not Rest, not Contentment are of the Will of the Hero, but these Things he hateth, and consenteth to enjoy them only with Same of his weak Nature. But he will analyse himself without Pity, and he will do all Things soever that may free and fortify his Mind and Will. Know that the Technick of the Right Use of this Magick with Poisons is subtle; and since the Nature of every Man differeth from that of his Fellow, there entereth Idiosyncrasy, and thine Experience shall be thy Master in this Art. Heed also this Word following: The Right Use of these Agents is to gain a Knowledge preliminary of thine own Powers, and of High States, so that thou goest not altogether blindly and without Aim in thy Quest, ignorant of the Ways of thine own inner Being. Also, thou must work always for a definite End, never for Pleasure or for Relaxation, except thy wilt, as a good Knight is sworn to do. And thou being Hero and Magician art in Peril of abusing the fiery Agents only, not those of Earth, Air or Water; because these do really work with thee in Purity, making thee wholly what thou wouldst be, an Engine indefatigable, a Mind clear, calm, and concentrated, and a Heart fierce aglow.