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The solution is to fork, or start over. I like the latter idea.

by thomastjeffery 9y ago

hossbeast 9y ago
Are there any ongoing efforts in that regard? I guess IPFS, but even then, you're serving html.
- xj9 9y ago
  its slow going, but that's what i'm trying to do with heropunch[0]. our goal is to create a p2p application platform using a handful of libre technologies: secure scuttlebutt, ipfs, lxc, enlightenment foundation libraries, rust, and elixir. [1]: https://www.heropunch.io https://www.heropunch.io
krapp 9y ago
Great. I support this. Go build your new web and leave those of us who believe the existing web, despite its faults, has value, be.
- abiox 9y ago
  just about anything people invest time into is going to have some sort of value, 'despite faults'. that doesn't really speak to the value of progress, reflecting on the status quo, or creating something fresh with lessons learned from the past. i don't really get the 'leave you be' bit.
  - krapp 9y ago
    >i don't really get the 'leave you be' bit. Simple. More than a few people here seem to believe, as the grandparent comment suggests, that the web is a lost cause, or irredeemable, and all those people seem to want to do is to constantly complain about it. I'm simply suggesting that if people feel the web has nothing to offer them, that it would be more productive for them to kindly leave it for a network that better suits their needs. Otherwise, rather than wanting to "fork the web and start over" they could consider working to improve what we have.
    - abiox 9y ago
      viewing the web as a lost cause or irredeemable is not the same as saying it has nothing to offer. 'leaving the web' also doesn't seem very pragmatic, at least until something better is available.
      - krapp 9y ago
        >viewing the web as a lost cause or irredeemable is not the same as saying it has nothing to offer I disagree - if it has something to offer then it's not a lost cause. A lost cause by definition isn't worth saving, or even engaging with. > 'leaving the web' also doesn't seem very pragmatic, at least until something better is available. The comment I replied to earlier suggested that the only reasonable solution to the web was to fork it or start over, with starting over being preferable. I'm merely suggesting that someone should actually get started on that. Or maybe revive Gopher. I hear that's still around.
        abiox 9y ago
        people can get started on that, and probably are. but the web exists, and the web is pervasive. it doesn't make any sense to abandon it until a replacement arrives... just as it makes no sense to simply abandon gas engines (and what, walk?) before electric ones are ready to replace them. the real question is whether the New Thing can avoid the problems of it's predecessor.
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    - thomastjeffery 9y ago
      > all those people seem to want to do is to constantly complain about it. Why are you taking those complaints so personally? You don't need us to be content with the status quo. If all we are doing is complaining, we really aren't doing anything to you.
- thomastjeffery 9y ago
  Well, I certainly don't want to do it alone, if I want to do it in the first place. It sounds an awful lot like you are complaining, but about what, I am not sure. I don't see how I am not letting you be, either. Creating a new system does not involve you at all, until you find a personal interest in that system, or its development.

The solution is to fork, or start over. I like the latter idea.

hossbeast 9y ago

Are there any ongoing efforts in that regard? I guess IPFS, but even then, you're serving html.

xj9 9y ago
its slow going, but that's what i'm trying to do with heropunch[0]. our goal is to create a p2p application platform using a handful of libre technologies: secure scuttlebutt, ipfs, lxc, enlightenment foundation libraries, rust, and elixir. [1]: https://www.heropunch.io https://www.heropunch.io

krapp 9y ago

Great. I support this. Go build your new web and leave those of us who believe the existing web, despite its faults, has value, be.

abiox 9y ago
just about anything people invest time into is going to have some sort of value, 'despite faults'. that doesn't really speak to the value of progress, reflecting on the status quo, or creating something fresh with lessons learned from the past. i don't really get the 'leave you be' bit.
- krapp 9y ago
  >i don't really get the 'leave you be' bit. Simple. More than a few people here seem to believe, as the grandparent comment suggests, that the web is a lost cause, or irredeemable, and all those people seem to want to do is to constantly complain about it. I'm simply suggesting that if people feel the web has nothing to offer them, that it would be more productive for them to kindly leave it for a network that better suits their needs. Otherwise, rather than wanting to "fork the web and start over" they could consider working to improve what we have.
  - abiox 9y ago
    viewing the web as a lost cause or irredeemable is not the same as saying it has nothing to offer. 'leaving the web' also doesn't seem very pragmatic, at least until something better is available.
    - krapp 9y ago
      >viewing the web as a lost cause or irredeemable is not the same as saying it has nothing to offer I disagree - if it has something to offer then it's not a lost cause. A lost cause by definition isn't worth saving, or even engaging with. > 'leaving the web' also doesn't seem very pragmatic, at least until something better is available. The comment I replied to earlier suggested that the only reasonable solution to the web was to fork it or start over, with starting over being preferable. I'm merely suggesting that someone should actually get started on that. Or maybe revive Gopher. I hear that's still around.
      - abiox 9y ago
        people can get started on that, and probably are. but the web exists, and the web is pervasive. it doesn't make any sense to abandon it until a replacement arrives... just as it makes no sense to simply abandon gas engines (and what, walk?) before electric ones are ready to replace them. the real question is whether the New Thing can avoid the problems of it's predecessor.
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  - thomastjeffery 9y ago
    > all those people seem to want to do is to constantly complain about it. Why are you taking those complaints so personally? You don't need us to be content with the status quo. If all we are doing is complaining, we really aren't doing anything to you.
thomastjeffery 9y ago
Well, I certainly don't want to do it alone, if I want to do it in the first place. It sounds an awful lot like you are complaining, but about what, I am not sure. I don't see how I am not letting you be, either. Creating a new system does not involve you at all, until you find a personal interest in that system, or its development.