6 ms·

Senate Democrats to force vote on FCC net neutrality repeal

96 points by MilnerRoute 9y ago

kylek 9y ago
>> A reversal of Thursday’s FCC vote would need the approval of the Senate, U.S. House and President Donald Trump. Trump also backed the FCC action, the White House said Thursday.
- crooked-v 9y ago
  The point is to force the Republicans as a whole to take a public stance on the issue, so they can’t claim to be uninvolved.
  - travmatt 9y ago
    Short of a vote there’d be a sudden case of collective amnesia on the part of said politicians the first time voters connected some suboptimal outcome to lack of regulation. It’ll be crazy how such a move had occurred when everyone supposedly had concerns.
danjoc 9y ago
Nevermind they don't have enough power in either house. Nevermind that the President would veto the thing. You've gotta wonder what the Dems are thinking. Party of the people? Telecom employs orders of magnitude more voters than Tech. Just for example, Reddit employs 230 voters Comcast employs 153000 voters Imagine if it did pass. Just think of what happens if Comcast cancels a pay bonus due to "burdensome new rules passed by congressional Democrats. Also, we will be bringing in some Silicon Valley efficiency experts to see how we can automate away about 10% of our workforce to cover the gap." I don't even know what the Democrats are trying to achieve anymore. The whole party seems bent on political suicide.
- calciphus 9y ago
  When more than 80% of Americans (according to http://thehill.com/policy/technology/364528-poll-83-percent-of-voters-support-keeping-fccs-net-neutrality-rules http://thehill.com/policy/technology/364528-poll-83-percent-...) opposed something and you can force your opposition to vote against that majority, you can use that in future elections as evidence that they're corrupt. Especially when there's a money linked to how they voted against their constituents. Why do you think there were so many house bills to repeal the ACA when it wasn't possible with the Senate and Obama in office, and so few once they had the numbers? Same game, different ball.
  - danjoc 9y ago
    >80% of Americans Biased poll with leading questions. Ask them if they think the FCC should outlaw unlimited video streaming on T-Mobile Binge On. The 80% evaporates immediately. >you can use that in future elections as evidence that they're corrupt Assuming the wild apocalyptic predictions from Reddit turn out to be even half true. If what actually happens is a nothingburger, or more zero rating that people like, then the Dems and Tech companies pushing this lose more credibility.
    - marricks 9y ago
      It's cool how "nothingburger" is now a shibboleth to identify Trump supporters.
    - throwaway613834 9y ago
      > Biased poll with leading questions. Ask them if they think the FCC should outlaw unlimited video streaming on T-Mobile Binge On. The 80% evaporates immediately. Your potentially good point got lost in how awfully you put it. This wasn't a vote on T-Mobile or Binge-on, so it would have made no sense to ask if they should have been outlawed. But if you do have examples of questions you consider biased and legitimate corrections to them that you believe would lower the bias, I would be happy to be convinced it was biased and would love to hear your genuine improvements.
boomboomsubban 9y ago
Chuck Schumer voted for the Patriot Act, supported SOPA, and supposedly opposed the famous 1991 Gore Bill that played some roll in opening up the internet. At least he's supporting a meaningless political vote? Even when Republicans vote it down, their "the FCC isn't where net neutrality should come from" talking point still works.
- origami777 9y ago
  How does that point still work? Where does it come from?
  - boomboomsubban 9y ago
    Several members of Congress said that they supported the idea of net neutrality but did not approve of shoehorning it into the FCC's duties. This vote would be to confirm the FCC's decision, so if that were your stated view you would approve of the FCC's decision.
    - ryanmerket 9y ago
      But the FCC didn’t have to roll back Title 2 for another agency or Congress to act.
      - boomboomsubban 9y ago
        Politicians care about appearance over reality. Pushing for a bill codifying net neutrality would call out the lie, but the Democrats are also more concerned with the appearance.

96 points by MilnerRoute 9y ago

>> A reversal of Thursday’s FCC vote would need the approval of the Senate, U.S. House and President Donald Trump. Trump also backed the FCC action, the White House said Thursday.

crooked-v 9y ago
The point is to force the Republicans as a whole to take a public stance on the issue, so they can’t claim to be uninvolved.
- travmatt 9y ago
  Short of a vote there’d be a sudden case of collective amnesia on the part of said politicians the first time voters connected some suboptimal outcome to lack of regulation. It’ll be crazy how such a move had occurred when everyone supposedly had concerns.

danjoc 9y ago

Nevermind they don't have enough power in either house. Nevermind that the President would veto the thing. You've gotta wonder what the Dems are thinking. Party of the people? Telecom employs orders of magnitude more voters than Tech. Just for example, Reddit employs 230 voters Comcast employs 153000 voters Imagine if it did pass. Just think of what happens if Comcast cancels a pay bonus due to "burdensome new rules passed by congressional Democrats. Also, we will be bringing in some Silicon Valley efficiency experts to see how we can automate away about 10% of our workforce to cover the gap." I don't even know what the Democrats are trying to achieve anymore. The whole party seems bent on political suicide.

calciphus 9y ago
When more than 80% of Americans (according to http://thehill.com/policy/technology/364528-poll-83-percent-of-voters-support-keeping-fccs-net-neutrality-rules http://thehill.com/policy/technology/364528-poll-83-percent-...) opposed something and you can force your opposition to vote against that majority, you can use that in future elections as evidence that they're corrupt. Especially when there's a money linked to how they voted against their constituents. Why do you think there were so many house bills to repeal the ACA when it wasn't possible with the Senate and Obama in office, and so few once they had the numbers? Same game, different ball.
- danjoc 9y ago
  >80% of Americans Biased poll with leading questions. Ask them if they think the FCC should outlaw unlimited video streaming on T-Mobile Binge On. The 80% evaporates immediately. >you can use that in future elections as evidence that they're corrupt Assuming the wild apocalyptic predictions from Reddit turn out to be even half true. If what actually happens is a nothingburger, or more zero rating that people like, then the Dems and Tech companies pushing this lose more credibility.
  - marricks 9y ago
    It's cool how "nothingburger" is now a shibboleth to identify Trump supporters.
  - throwaway613834 9y ago
    > Biased poll with leading questions. Ask them if they think the FCC should outlaw unlimited video streaming on T-Mobile Binge On. The 80% evaporates immediately. Your potentially good point got lost in how awfully you put it. This wasn't a vote on T-Mobile or Binge-on, so it would have made no sense to ask if they should have been outlawed. But if you do have examples of questions you consider biased and legitimate corrections to them that you believe would lower the bias, I would be happy to be convinced it was biased and would love to hear your genuine improvements.

boomboomsubban 9y ago

Chuck Schumer voted for the Patriot Act, supported SOPA, and supposedly opposed the famous 1991 Gore Bill that played some roll in opening up the internet. At least he's supporting a meaningless political vote? Even when Republicans vote it down, their "the FCC isn't where net neutrality should come from" talking point still works.

origami777 9y ago
How does that point still work? Where does it come from?
- boomboomsubban 9y ago
  Several members of Congress said that they supported the idea of net neutrality but did not approve of shoehorning it into the FCC's duties. This vote would be to confirm the FCC's decision, so if that were your stated view you would approve of the FCC's decision.
  - ryanmerket 9y ago
    But the FCC didn’t have to roll back Title 2 for another agency or Congress to act.
    - boomboomsubban 9y ago
      Politicians care about appearance over reality. Pushing for a bill codifying net neutrality would call out the lie, but the Democrats are also more concerned with the appearance.