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Firefox 57 has no love from a lot of web developers I know. It broke things that were working just fine before.

TheRealPomax 9y ago
Curious what those things are, because all I can think of is workaround that exploited out-of-spec behaviour (and, of course, web extensions, which has been covered to such a degree it's not just a dead horse but a fresh patch of grass by now)
- fuckyouzilla 9y ago
  1. Telemetry enabled by default. 2. Selling telemetry data about users to evilcorps like google. 3. Ruining interface with project Australis (during the 3.6 > 4.0 update [status bar got removed], tab-bar got degraded). 4. Breaking XPCOM. 5. Implementing a system of stealth add-on installations. The add-ons don't just get installed stealthily, they are also not listed by add-ons manager. 6. Pocket. 7. Using the system of stealth add-on installations to spy ('gather telemetry to improve users browsing experience') on users and adding ads. Adding ads to the start page. Nothing useful ever was deployed via the stealth add-on installation system. 8. Breaking users' preferences they set once. 9. Breaking XUL. Mozilla is now even more malicious than Google. Point 9 is the reason that firefox is dead to me since version 57: I will not update anymore and I'll have to switch my browser to a firefox fork because of that on holidays. Oh, and all those issues - is just what is on the surface, the real problems are way deeper: 1. Mozilla rejects communication with users and developers. 2. Mozilla censors incoming messages. 3. Mozilla has betrayed the trust of its users by betraying its own ideals. 4. I thought Mike Beltzner (aka beltznebooth) was a dumb fucker that took stupid decisions, but turns out - he was the best of management Mozilla ever had: since he stepped away - the browser's degradation accelerated in supersonic speed. 5. Mozilla did too many mistakes and never acknowledged the failure, no conclusions were made, which means that the history to be repeated again and again.

Curious what those things are, because all I can think of is workaround that exploited out-of-spec behaviour (and, of course, web extensions, which has been covered to such a degree it's not just a dead horse but a fresh patch of grass by now)

fuckyouzilla 9y ago
1. Telemetry enabled by default. 2. Selling telemetry data about users to evilcorps like google. 3. Ruining interface with project Australis (during the 3.6 > 4.0 update [status bar got removed], tab-bar got degraded). 4. Breaking XPCOM. 5. Implementing a system of stealth add-on installations. The add-ons don't just get installed stealthily, they are also not listed by add-ons manager. 6. Pocket. 7. Using the system of stealth add-on installations to spy ('gather telemetry to improve users browsing experience') on users and adding ads. Adding ads to the start page. Nothing useful ever was deployed via the stealth add-on installation system. 8. Breaking users' preferences they set once. 9. Breaking XUL. Mozilla is now even more malicious than Google. Point 9 is the reason that firefox is dead to me since version 57: I will not update anymore and I'll have to switch my browser to a firefox fork because of that on holidays. Oh, and all those issues - is just what is on the surface, the real problems are way deeper: 1. Mozilla rejects communication with users and developers. 2. Mozilla censors incoming messages. 3. Mozilla has betrayed the trust of its users by betraying its own ideals. 4. I thought Mike Beltzner (aka beltznebooth) was a dumb fucker that took stupid decisions, but turns out - he was the best of management Mozilla ever had: since he stepped away - the browser's degradation accelerated in supersonic speed. 5. Mozilla did too many mistakes and never acknowledged the failure, no conclusions were made, which means that the history to be repeated again and again.