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I think there are grey areas in terms of what opinions are intolerable. ("Meat is murder"? Does anyone really feel threatened by that? What about forced-birth a

I think there are grey areas in terms of what opinions are intolerable. ("Meat is murder"? Does anyone really feel threatened by that? What about forced-birth advocates who want to deny women the right to make decisions about their own bodies?) There are not grey areas about "usefulness". I don't care if you're Albert fucking Einstein, I'm not going to let you scare off the other high performers or even cleaning crew that make my business productive and livable.

Avshalom 9y ago
Oh man, I will take clean toilets over profits any day.
- twobyfour 9y ago
  Hah. But seriously, how am I supposed to hire and retain anyone if the workplace is hostile? Turnover and rehiring has costs, even if it's turnover of minimum wage staff. And as a hiring manager I don't have any particular interest either in working in an environment that is hostile towards me. Or are you saying that I have an obligation to spend the majority of my waking hours with people who suggest that I have no right to be alive; or that I belong pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen? And if I'm not willing to accept a workplace that's hostile to me, how can I ask the people I hire to accept one that's hostile to them?
  - Avshalom 9y ago
    No, I'm dead serious. I was at a warehouse that went through janitorial staff every month (this was more to do with us being a very second-third-27th chance employer, but in K's case also... not hostility but sexual aggressiveness from many workers) I know what turnover does to over all moral and productivity and I would take good janitors over a raise any year.
dsacco 9y ago
> There are not grey areas about "usefulness". I don't care if you're Albert fucking Einstein, I'm not going to let you scare off the other high performers or even cleaning crew that make my business productive and livable. Okay, that’s a fair position and that essentially answers my question. I don’t really have an argument for or against what you’re saying here, I was just curious to see if there is any level of utility at which you’re okay with someone being disliked by the rest of the staff.

Avshalom 9y ago

Oh man, I will take clean toilets over profits any day.

twobyfour 9y ago
Hah. But seriously, how am I supposed to hire and retain anyone if the workplace is hostile? Turnover and rehiring has costs, even if it's turnover of minimum wage staff. And as a hiring manager I don't have any particular interest either in working in an environment that is hostile towards me. Or are you saying that I have an obligation to spend the majority of my waking hours with people who suggest that I have no right to be alive; or that I belong pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen? And if I'm not willing to accept a workplace that's hostile to me, how can I ask the people I hire to accept one that's hostile to them?
- Avshalom 9y ago
  No, I'm dead serious. I was at a warehouse that went through janitorial staff every month (this was more to do with us being a very second-third-27th chance employer, but in K's case also... not hostility but sexual aggressiveness from many workers) I know what turnover does to over all moral and productivity and I would take good janitors over a raise any year.

dsacco 9y ago

> There are not grey areas about "usefulness". I don't care if you're Albert fucking Einstein, I'm not going to let you scare off the other high performers or even cleaning crew that make my business productive and livable. Okay, that’s a fair position and that essentially answers my question. I don’t really have an argument for or against what you’re saying here, I was just curious to see if there is any level of utility at which you’re okay with someone being disliked by the rest of the staff.