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I can't be on board with this because the way it's treated currently is a one way street. As much as I hate the stuff you're mentioning specifically, I'm not go

by jrs95 9y ago

I can't be on board with this because the way it's treated currently is a one way street. As much as I hate the stuff you're mentioning specifically, I'm not going to call for those people to be silenced when it's acceptable and somewhat popular to say the same thing about whites, men, straight people, etc. And ultimately calling for silencing the far right while doing and saying nothing about equally abhorrent ideas on the far left only creates useful propaganda for the people you want to silence. As for your specific example, it doesn't really fit into what's happening now. Violence towards people labelled as fascists is common, but not the other way around. And in parallel cases, things like "death to cops" has absolutely led to an increase in people murdering police officers. This whole thing is benefiting the far right from a propaganda standpoint.

fao_ 9y ago
when it's acceptable and somewhat popular to say the same thing about whites, men, straight people, etc. You're ignoring the power dynamics. Take trans women for example. 46% will commit suicide, over 80% have experienced assault (and only a slightly lower statistic for sexual assault). Thus a cis person saying something of the sort like "trans women should be murdered" is propagating an idea that has very real effect on the world. Since it is already accepted that trans women are harmed as such, making such a statement propagates the harmful ideas further. It is very likely that after that person makes such a comment, a trans woman will die. In contrast, cis white men are not being murdered by trans women. Thus for them to state that "cis should die" is a act of protest, and has very little effect on the real world. The difference is: Is this likely to happen, is this happening, and has this happened? In the former instance the case is yes, in the latter the case is no. Violence towards people labelled as fascists is common, but not the other way around. On the contrary, fascists have murdered in recent years: 1 British politican (Joe Cox). 2 American Representatives. A number of American people[0][1]. I can bring up more examples but I'd like to get off this site sometime today :) Besides, it's trivial to google. Indeed, White Supremacy is listed as one of the things that the US DHS is working to combat[2] "death to cops" has absolutely led to an increase in people murdering police officers. Source please? All I've seen is more police killing unarmed and already restrained people. [0]: James Fields was a fascist. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/13/charlottesville-james-fields-charged-with-was-pictured-at-neo-nazi-rally-vanguard-america https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/13/charlottesvi... [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/27/portland-double-murder-white-supremacist-muslim-hate-speech https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/27/portland-dou... [2]: https://www.dhs.gov/blog/2017/08/16/did-you-know-four-ways-dhs-working-prevent-terrorism-home https://www.dhs.gov/blog/2017/08/16/did-you-know-four-ways-d...
- jrs95 9y ago
  http://www.newsweek.com/police-line-duty-deaths-increase-2017-636064 http://www.newsweek.com/police-line-duty-deaths-increase-201... And there have been specific instances of BLM activists killing police, this being the most high profile one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police... We also had a Bernie supporter shoot Steve Scalise, and the general social media response to Rand Paul being assaulted was celebratory and saying he deserved it for being a Republican. Seems like the power dynamics doesn't necessarily mean what these people are saying won't lead to violence. There are certain things which no power imbalance excuses, and in my opinion this is one of them. And what happened in Dallas is much more clear cut than what James Fields did in Charlottesville. He seemed to have snapped after someone hit his car with a bat. Seems more like road rage to me based on the video. I think they're going to have a hard time convicting him of 1st degree murder, honestly. Plus, had the police done their job that entire situation likely would have been avoided. The violence should not have been allowed to escalate like it was.

by jrs95 9y ago

fao_ 9y ago

when it's acceptable and somewhat popular to say the same thing about whites, men, straight people, etc. You're ignoring the power dynamics. Take trans women for example. 46% will commit suicide, over 80% have experienced assault (and only a slightly lower statistic for sexual assault). Thus a cis person saying something of the sort like "trans women should be murdered" is propagating an idea that has very real effect on the world. Since it is already accepted that trans women are harmed as such, making such a statement propagates the harmful ideas further. It is very likely that after that person makes such a comment, a trans woman will die. In contrast, cis white men are not being murdered by trans women. Thus for them to state that "cis should die" is a act of protest, and has very little effect on the real world. The difference is: Is this likely to happen, is this happening, and has this happened? In the former instance the case is yes, in the latter the case is no. Violence towards people labelled as fascists is common, but not the other way around. On the contrary, fascists have murdered in recent years: 1 British politican (Joe Cox). 2 American Representatives. A number of American people[0][1]. I can bring up more examples but I'd like to get off this site sometime today :) Besides, it's trivial to google. Indeed, White Supremacy is listed as one of the things that the US DHS is working to combat[2] "death to cops" has absolutely led to an increase in people murdering police officers. Source please? All I've seen is more police killing unarmed and already restrained people. [0]: James Fields was a fascist. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/13/charlottesville-james-fields-charged-with-was-pictured-at-neo-nazi-rally-vanguard-america https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/13/charlottesvi... [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/27/portland-double-murder-white-supremacist-muslim-hate-speech https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/27/portland-dou... [2]: https://www.dhs.gov/blog/2017/08/16/did-you-know-four-ways-dhs-working-prevent-terrorism-home https://www.dhs.gov/blog/2017/08/16/did-you-know-four-ways-d...

jrs95 9y ago
http://www.newsweek.com/police-line-duty-deaths-increase-2017-636064 http://www.newsweek.com/police-line-duty-deaths-increase-201... And there have been specific instances of BLM activists killing police, this being the most high profile one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police... We also had a Bernie supporter shoot Steve Scalise, and the general social media response to Rand Paul being assaulted was celebratory and saying he deserved it for being a Republican. Seems like the power dynamics doesn't necessarily mean what these people are saying won't lead to violence. There are certain things which no power imbalance excuses, and in my opinion this is one of them. And what happened in Dallas is much more clear cut than what James Fields did in Charlottesville. He seemed to have snapped after someone hit his car with a bat. Seems more like road rage to me based on the video. I think they're going to have a hard time convicting him of 1st degree murder, honestly. Plus, had the police done their job that entire situation likely would have been avoided. The violence should not have been allowed to escalate like it was.