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Last time I took a peek at Chromium (yeah, not even Chrome. Chromium!) I was still getting pummelled with nonsense about the need for me to open some sort of Go

Last time I took a peek at Chromium (yeah, not even Chrome. Chromium!) I was still getting pummelled with nonsense about the need for me to open some sort of Google or AppStore (or whatever they call it) account. I'm not joining that universe. So where to go? At the moment I'm happy with my Waterfox. And there's the somewhat similar Basilisk-project from the Pale Moon camp. But I realize these are overwhelmingly likely to be dead ends in the slightly longer run. There'll come a day when recent uMatrix et alia will no longer work. And a day when the dev-teams themselves throw in their towels. The FF57-thing is just depressing in its own right, even without this added round of Mozila idiocy. They couldn't offer us just the option of an extra toolbar, or any customization worth the name, really. Firefox of ten years ago had vastly better UI than this latest, dumbed-down iteration. But I suspect I shall sooner or later have to return. [Edit: typo]

shak77 9y ago
Chrome pushes you to create a Google account to sync. Firefox pushes you to create a Firefox account to sync. You'll tell me where the difference is. At least Google does not also push you to create a Pocket account... ;^)
- interfixus 9y ago
  Chromium pushed (and kept pushing) me to open an account in order to install addons. I never used the Mozilla sync-feature, but have no problem with it announcing its availability once in a new install. And likewise for the Google-browser, if that's what it does.
  - shak77 9y ago
    I use Chrome (not Chromium) and it has never asked me to create an account to download addons. :/
    - propogandist 9y ago
      using Chrome means you've embraced the botnet and with the browser phoning home constantly, they know which account to associate your browsing behavior with, no account creation required ;)
- schwap 9y ago
  One of them syncs your tabs and bookmarks, and the other one syncs you tabs and bookmarks and can create stronger links with their already extremely prevalent browser tracking technologies which they then can tie in to their analytics on your email to support their largely advertising-driven, for-profit enterprise?
- ryukafalz 9y ago
  Firefox sync is encrypted client-side so Mozilla can't access your data. And the server is open source and self-hostable: https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run-sync-1.5.html#howto-run-sync15 https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run...
  - pmlnr 9y ago
    So is the google sync. Especially if you set an extra passphrase to decode.
    - ryukafalz 9y ago
      Oh, cool - it sounds like the passphrase is mandatory to encrypt your synced data, it doesn't happen by default, but that's still a good start. TIL. (I still like having the option to run my own sync server though.)
      - pmlnr 9y ago
        It does, but by default, it uses your google account password.
- AsyncAwait 9y ago
  > Chrome pushes you to create a Google account to sync. Firefox pushes you to create a Firefox account to sync. You'll tell me where the difference is. With Firefox account, Mozilla is not selling any of your data data, a Google account not only is a goldmine of data to sell, but you're signing for a lot more services than just Sync itself.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    You mean, except for shipping CliqZ, a cooperative project between Mozilla, and the German ad, tracking and publishing house Burda, which receives all the URLs your visit (as a test, this was bundled with 1% of German Firefox installs)?
    - AsyncAwait 9y ago
      While bundling CliqZ was certainly a poor decision that does not inspire confidence, my comment above fast specifically in regards to Firefox Sync. If you honestly believe that Google is less or equal in terms of user data privacy as Mozilla, then I'm not sure I can convince you otherwise, but despite all the recent blunders, I still trust Mozilla more in this regard, be it with a watchful eye.
      - kuschku 9y ago
        Well, I don't have a choice, do I? about:addons uses Google Analytics, and yes, I know Google promised Mozilla not to look at that data. But either I have to trust Google that they don't use the data from Chrome's Enterprise and Chromium builds. Or I have to trust Google that they don't use the data from Firefox' about:addons and Firefox Focus, and that CliqZ doesn't use the data from Firefox. If I have to trust Google anyway, I can just use Chrome.
  - bitmapbrother 9y ago
    Google doesn't sell data. Chrome, however, isn't silently installing extensions without people's permission, though.
Apocryphon 9y ago
How's Brave doing?
- interfixus 9y ago
  Not too well, last time I looked. And my irrational distaste for its Chromium heritage. But probably time to take another peek.
  - BrendanEich 9y ago
    I hope you will take another look in the new year, if not sooner. Some bugs to fix & missing features to support, but we will not pull any stunts like this MrRobot one. All our user-private/anonymous contributions and ads are opt in and will remain that way. Consent from users and publishers is not optional to us. Brave by default has strong ad/tracker blocking on by default, which gives a 3-7x speedup vs. Chrome on Android, 3-8x on iOS, and 2x or so on desktop.
    - Profragile 9y ago
      I have been using Brave on my mobile and love it. Thank you for what you do!
    - interfixus 9y ago
      A voice from on high has now commanded me. I most certainly will :)
LeoPanthera 9y ago
Un-Googled Chromium: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium
- interfixus 9y ago
  Iridium seems far better maintained in AUR [Arch Linux User Repo]. I shall give it a spin. Thanks for the reminder. https://iridiumbrowser.de/ https://iridiumbrowser.de/
  - LeoPanthera 9y ago
    "Ungoogled" is actually a superset of Iridium, and includes patches from it.
    - kodablah 9y ago
      And way behind on Chromium version.
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shak77 9y ago

Chrome pushes you to create a Google account to sync. Firefox pushes you to create a Firefox account to sync. You'll tell me where the difference is. At least Google does not also push you to create a Pocket account... ;^)

interfixus 9y ago
Chromium pushed (and kept pushing) me to open an account in order to install addons. I never used the Mozilla sync-feature, but have no problem with it announcing its availability once in a new install. And likewise for the Google-browser, if that's what it does.
- shak77 9y ago
  I use Chrome (not Chromium) and it has never asked me to create an account to download addons. :/
  - propogandist 9y ago
    using Chrome means you've embraced the botnet and with the browser phoning home constantly, they know which account to associate your browsing behavior with, no account creation required ;)
schwap 9y ago
One of them syncs your tabs and bookmarks, and the other one syncs you tabs and bookmarks and can create stronger links with their already extremely prevalent browser tracking technologies which they then can tie in to their analytics on your email to support their largely advertising-driven, for-profit enterprise?
ryukafalz 9y ago
Firefox sync is encrypted client-side so Mozilla can't access your data. And the server is open source and self-hostable: https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run-sync-1.5.html#howto-run-sync15 https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run...
- pmlnr 9y ago
  So is the google sync. Especially if you set an extra passphrase to decode.
  - ryukafalz 9y ago
    Oh, cool - it sounds like the passphrase is mandatory to encrypt your synced data, it doesn't happen by default, but that's still a good start. TIL. (I still like having the option to run my own sync server though.)
    - pmlnr 9y ago
      It does, but by default, it uses your google account password.
AsyncAwait 9y ago
> Chrome pushes you to create a Google account to sync. Firefox pushes you to create a Firefox account to sync. You'll tell me where the difference is. With Firefox account, Mozilla is not selling any of your data data, a Google account not only is a goldmine of data to sell, but you're signing for a lot more services than just Sync itself.
- kuschku 9y ago
  You mean, except for shipping CliqZ, a cooperative project between Mozilla, and the German ad, tracking and publishing house Burda, which receives all the URLs your visit (as a test, this was bundled with 1% of German Firefox installs)?
  - AsyncAwait 9y ago
    While bundling CliqZ was certainly a poor decision that does not inspire confidence, my comment above fast specifically in regards to Firefox Sync. If you honestly believe that Google is less or equal in terms of user data privacy as Mozilla, then I'm not sure I can convince you otherwise, but despite all the recent blunders, I still trust Mozilla more in this regard, be it with a watchful eye.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      Well, I don't have a choice, do I? about:addons uses Google Analytics, and yes, I know Google promised Mozilla not to look at that data. But either I have to trust Google that they don't use the data from Chrome's Enterprise and Chromium builds. Or I have to trust Google that they don't use the data from Firefox' about:addons and Firefox Focus, and that CliqZ doesn't use the data from Firefox. If I have to trust Google anyway, I can just use Chrome.
- bitmapbrother 9y ago
  Google doesn't sell data. Chrome, however, isn't silently installing extensions without people's permission, though.

Apocryphon 9y ago

How's Brave doing?

interfixus 9y ago
Not too well, last time I looked. And my irrational distaste for its Chromium heritage. But probably time to take another peek.
- BrendanEich 9y ago
  I hope you will take another look in the new year, if not sooner. Some bugs to fix & missing features to support, but we will not pull any stunts like this MrRobot one. All our user-private/anonymous contributions and ads are opt in and will remain that way. Consent from users and publishers is not optional to us. Brave by default has strong ad/tracker blocking on by default, which gives a 3-7x speedup vs. Chrome on Android, 3-8x on iOS, and 2x or so on desktop.
  - Profragile 9y ago
    I have been using Brave on my mobile and love it. Thank you for what you do!
  - interfixus 9y ago
    A voice from on high has now commanded me. I most certainly will :)

LeoPanthera 9y ago

Un-Googled Chromium: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

interfixus 9y ago
Iridium seems far better maintained in AUR [Arch Linux User Repo]. I shall give it a spin. Thanks for the reminder. https://iridiumbrowser.de/ https://iridiumbrowser.de/
- LeoPanthera 9y ago
  "Ungoogled" is actually a superset of Iridium, and includes patches from it.
  - kodablah 9y ago
    And way behind on Chromium version.

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