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> Which brings in all the problems with the Pence view. It reinforces the glass ceiling / old boys club, because friends talk about business on the golf course

> Which brings in all the problems with the Pence view. It reinforces the glass ceiling / old boys club, because friends talk about business on the golf course (or at the LAN party), and then women get excluded from that. Yeah, and I feel bad about that. Hopefully things like professional societies, meetups, etc. can mitigate those factors. And realistically, in my experience as an experienced software developer, the whole golf course / LAN party thing just doesn't happen. Or if it does, I'm certainly not benefiting from it either. Maybe for CxO's or people in sales, I wouldn't know.

AnthonyMouse 9y ago
> And realistically, in my experience as an experienced software developer, the whole golf course / LAN party thing just doesn't happen. Or if it does, I'm certainly not benefiting from it either. It tends to be much more subtle than most people expect. The boss asks your coworkers about you and people say nicer things about people they're friendlier with. Or you're hanging out with someone outside of work and end up talking about work for a minute, and having the extra information makes you look good. Or your friend gets a job at a better company and then you have inside information and someone to put in a good word for you if you want to do the same thing.