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> I felt that this was evidence that, like S, all of the other more senior men who had showed interest in my research must actually have only been trying to sl
by czep 9y ago
> I felt that this was evidence that, like S, all of the other more senior men who had showed interest in my research must actually have only been trying to sleep with me.
This is one of the intangible yet insidious impacts of harrassment that men really need to stop and take notice of. As a man, I've been fortunate enough never to have been put in a situation where I've had to doubt that interest in my work was merely a ploy to get me in bed. Think of the massive impact such a doubt can have on a young scholar, struggling to prove onesself, fighting self doubt and imposter syndrome. Then when senior colleagues pay attention to your work, and you find out that their interest was more salacious than professional, it must be hugely demoralizing. I'm sure this accounts for at least some of the gender disparity in technical fields, how many women simply vacated the field after people would only use their work as a pick-up line?
> We need to start holding prominent individuals accountable for how their inappropriate behavior negatively impacts the careers of their junior colleagues.
Holding them accountable is not enough, we need to ruin them. Everyone in S's group at Google should submit their resignation, conferences should blacklist him, editors should reject his manuscripts, grant money should be withdrawn, and the entire field should shun him and his kind until the message is clear that science will not tolerate this behavior.
I don't care how good of a researcher he is, how much of a "Bayesian expert" he claims to be, I could never read a paper of his or hear him talk without feeling disgust that here's yet another ego-consumed hyper-nerd who exploits his talents to gain power that he can use as leverage to satisfy his lust. Screw you, S, and the Bayesian prior you rode in on.
- bonniemuffin 9y agoEveryone in his group should lose their job? That seems like an awful lot of collateral damage.
- czep 9y agoI was suggesting they should voluntarily resign, in the current market they will have no shortage of opportunity. It would send a strong message to Google (and others) that the behavior is not acceptable.
- 1_2__4 9y agoHow magnanimous of you.
- dna_polymerase 9y ago> I was suggesting they should voluntarily resign No you were not. You are full in line with fascists when writing: > Holding them accountable is not enough, we need to ruin them.
- andars 9y agoIn that sentence, I am fairly confident that by "them", 'czep is referring to S and others like him. In the next sentence, 'czep is suggesting that the other members of S's group voluntarily resign to "ruin" S.
- internetman55 9y ago>As a man, I've been fortunate enough never to have been put in a situation where I've had to doubt that interest in my work was merely a ploy to get me in bed. Um, this kind of thing happens quite often to men.
- peatmoss 9y agoAdding to this, I've had brilliant minority friends pass up opportunity because it even contained the faint smell of “you got this because you’re X.” I think there are categories other than gender where people have sensitivity to the appearance that advancement or favor was the result of alterior motives. I’d argue anyone with something to give experiences this to greater and lesser degrees too. People write songs about this phenomenon and its complement (“Nobody knows you when you’re down and out”).