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> I think the chilling effect is already here now. Nobody will say it, nobody would admit to it and commit career suicide, but I have no doubt countless startup

> I think the chilling effect is already here now. Nobody will say it, nobody would admit to it and commit career suicide, but I have no doubt countless startups, corps, research groups will just not hire any women in the wake of this debate. I don't think that is probable unless you are a man who has a sexual problem and fears reprisal, which is somebody toxic trying to hide. Just to clarify sexual harassment isn't something confined to men in power and isn't just a women's problem. This is stupid easy. Don't make sexual advances at work. Not even it is just joking around. Don't touch your coworks on the ass, kiss them, or any other anything else like that. Any form of affection should be something that is ok in front of your spouse and the news media. If you do fear reprisal then always meet with your coworkers in public spaces, with doors open, and ensure a third party is in view. Don't hide anything. Again, stupid simple. If after that you are still afraid then just be unemployed, because you shouldn't be around other people.

dozzie 9y ago
> This is stupid easy. Don't make sexual advances at work. Yet if you're a male, you can still end up falsely accused of sexual harassment, because she didn't like you, she wants your position, she misunderstood you, or she was just a bitch who likes undeserved attention, ruining somebody's life in the process. There were examples of that, and while I don't claim they were numerous, they are the source of the chilling effect.
- austincheney 9y ago
  > Yet if you're a male, you can still end up falsely accused of sexual harassment Historically, this is exceedingly rare. Nobody wants the negative attention that comes from exposure of a false allegation.
  - fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
    Would you say it is exceedingly rare that rape victims are not believed? How do you distinguish the two?
  - haZard_OS 9y ago
    It has happened to me three times in less than a year. Thankfully, I have been recording nearly all of my conversations for quite some time. In EVERY instance, I was treated like a piece of garbage until I managed to produce my recordings from storage. I have become increasingly paranoid about being around people because of this.
    - austincheney 9y ago
      A false allegation is fraud. Where these people fired? If not I would go work somewhere else, as permitting fraud is perhaps as toxic as permitting sexually aggressive behaviors.
      - dozzie 9y ago
        > A false allegation is fraud. This part is not the problem. The problem is that if you're falsely accused, it's on you to prove that you're not a horse, which will require enormous effort or an unusual foresight. A similar thing to the problem in US of stealing identity. If somebody impersonates you and takes a credit in your name (and you have no control over that, because your personal data could have been lost by some Equifax), suddenly it's your problem to fend off debt collectors.
fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
Not being a harasser does not protect you from false accusations.

dozzie 9y ago

> This is stupid easy. Don't make sexual advances at work. Yet if you're a male, you can still end up falsely accused of sexual harassment, because she didn't like you, she wants your position, she misunderstood you, or she was just a bitch who likes undeserved attention, ruining somebody's life in the process. There were examples of that, and while I don't claim they were numerous, they are the source of the chilling effect.

austincheney 9y ago
> Yet if you're a male, you can still end up falsely accused of sexual harassment Historically, this is exceedingly rare. Nobody wants the negative attention that comes from exposure of a false allegation.
- fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
  Would you say it is exceedingly rare that rape victims are not believed? How do you distinguish the two?
- haZard_OS 9y ago
  It has happened to me three times in less than a year. Thankfully, I have been recording nearly all of my conversations for quite some time. In EVERY instance, I was treated like a piece of garbage until I managed to produce my recordings from storage. I have become increasingly paranoid about being around people because of this.
  - austincheney 9y ago
    A false allegation is fraud. Where these people fired? If not I would go work somewhere else, as permitting fraud is perhaps as toxic as permitting sexually aggressive behaviors.
    - dozzie 9y ago
      > A false allegation is fraud. This part is not the problem. The problem is that if you're falsely accused, it's on you to prove that you're not a horse, which will require enormous effort or an unusual foresight. A similar thing to the problem in US of stealing identity. If somebody impersonates you and takes a credit in your name (and you have no control over that, because your personal data could have been lost by some Equifax), suddenly it's your problem to fend off debt collectors.

fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago

Not being a harasser does not protect you from false accusations.