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It's not crazy. The problem is that lot of these people are position of power (in the sense they can influence your career, rewards, recommendations or job sign
by sytelus 9y ago
It's not crazy. The problem is that lot of these people are position of power (in the sense they can influence your career, rewards, recommendations or job significantly). So even if the gesture is purely suggestive, women has choice of either not give in and compromising their career OR welcome further advancement to make man happy. The bottomline is that there should not be even suggestive gestures in work environment. The relationship needs to be purely professional. If you are not going to grab and squeeze another man's butt then don't do it to a women. Think about your job prospects being dependent on giving in to someone's suggestive sexual advancements. How would you feel about that?
- atomi 9y agoIn this climate of hyper sensitivity, I doubt there is anyone who is not quietly reflecting on their past behavior and wondering whether they're going to end up in an HR meeting.
- SolaceQuantum 9y agoI have never touched someone’s thighs without their consent, much less while they are presenting their research at a conference. I’ve never even hugged without consent in a professional setting. I’m really not worried nor am I wondering when HR is going to ring me up.
- atomi 9y agoHave you also never expressed interest in a woman?
- UncleMeat 9y agoThis guy sent her explicitly sexual messages on facebook in response to professional messages. This isn't just "showing interest in a woman".
- atomi 9y agoI'm not defending those actions. The "showing interest in someone" is something that happens daily in work environments everywhere and all it takes is for someone to feel jilted or have a bad day for an HR complaint to appear. Frankly, you should just avoid interacting with women in a professional environment unless it's strictly about work.
- joshuamorton 9y agoDo you have examples of that occurring, or is it just conjecture?
- atomi 9y agoExamples of which part of my statement? That coworkers sometimes show interest in one another? Or, that HR complaints sometimes arise from coworker relationships? Here's a nice article from WaPo if you'd like to read about a deluge of new complaints at HR departments and social media. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2017/11/30/fear-and-panic-in-the-h-r-department-as-sexual-harassment-allegations-multiply/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2017/11...
- joshuamorton 9y agoExamples of "showing interest" casuing an HR complaint. That article is paywalled.
- atomi 9y agoSearch #metoo on any social media platform and you'll find thousands of complaints about coworkers and bosses. HR departments are in a tough position right now attempting to determine what course of action they should take. Should they take all of these allegations seriously? Maybe they should. Edit: Since I can't reply to your comment, I'll just say: You're asking for something impossible to provide. I can't post formal HR complaints on the internet. But HR should be taking social media complaints about coworkers or managers seriously and just as valid as any formal complaint. If you disagree with that, you should consider reflecting on just how serious this matter is to anyone that has felt harassed by "locker room talk", comments on their looks, and other crass speech in the workplace.
- dang 9y ago"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- atomi 9y agoI'm not going to dispute op's claim that he's never sexually harassed someone. I never asserted he did in the first place. My point is very simple: there are a lot complaints about people right now and I believe most people will be be reflecting on their past actions and determining whether they've behaved appropriately. Don't be snarky. You're not adding to the discussion.