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That's . . . not what happened in this article, though. The individual supposedly grabbed her around her waist, torso, and thighs without permission while in a

That's . . . not what happened in this article, though. The individual supposedly grabbed her around her waist, torso, and thighs without permission while in a swimming pool. This in addition to his other comments seems reasonably clear cut to me.

mc32 9y ago
You're right. This person did more then chat up and allegedly continued with unwanted physical sexual advances. Never the less, I think we will come to a time when companies will have to come up with something beside "zero tolerance". It's not a forgone conclusion, but I think we will come to a more nuanced approach as more people get caught up in these scandals. Certainly the likes of Weinstein and Spacey have very little redeemability (However, we see Polanski had some abroad if not at home) but there is another class of people who do act "ungentlemanly/unladily" whatever, but not all the way to sexual harassment. For example, if we take Dustin Hoffman at his word, yes, it's uncalled for, but is it beyond the pale, given the times it took place?
- mcguire 9y ago
  Have you got any specific examples of a "zero tolerance" response to something that wasn't "pretty clear-cut predatory"? I think companies and society have always had a clear consensus on these issues; the recent events have merely been pointing out that 'ignore and suppress' isn't a very good response.
  - lightcatcher 9y ago
    This is the closest to a zero tolerance response to something not clear-cut predatory that I've seen: https://www.facebook.com/Pinegroveband/posts/10155748505559774 https://www.facebook.com/Pinegroveband/posts/101557485055597... Musician cancels his band's tour because of non-public accusation of "sexual coercion" in a relationship. What were his other options when someone presented this claim to him, presumably with some probability of the claim going public?
    - discoursism 9y ago
      Who is the party who is imposing zero-tolerance here? The band leader disclosed the problem and also decided the "punishment," such as it was. I understand that you're just one person and are not representing this finding as the maximally bad situation. But I would say that if this is the worst that can be found, it's clear to me that we're in no immediate danger of jump-the-gun, zero-tolerance situations becoming common.
zjaffee 9y ago
The fact that you're being downvoted shines very poorly on the HN community as a whole.
- dang 9y ago
  I understand the sentiment, but your comment breaks the HN guidelines. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. One reason we have such a guideline is that it takes time for the community reaction to actually become clear. The downvote situation usually rights itself, as it has—quite decisively—above. Only a single downvote affected that comment to begin with.

mc32 9y ago

You're right. This person did more then chat up and allegedly continued with unwanted physical sexual advances. Never the less, I think we will come to a time when companies will have to come up with something beside "zero tolerance". It's not a forgone conclusion, but I think we will come to a more nuanced approach as more people get caught up in these scandals. Certainly the likes of Weinstein and Spacey have very little redeemability (However, we see Polanski had some abroad if not at home) but there is another class of people who do act "ungentlemanly/unladily" whatever, but not all the way to sexual harassment. For example, if we take Dustin Hoffman at his word, yes, it's uncalled for, but is it beyond the pale, given the times it took place?

mcguire 9y ago
Have you got any specific examples of a "zero tolerance" response to something that wasn't "pretty clear-cut predatory"? I think companies and society have always had a clear consensus on these issues; the recent events have merely been pointing out that 'ignore and suppress' isn't a very good response.
- lightcatcher 9y ago
  This is the closest to a zero tolerance response to something not clear-cut predatory that I've seen: https://www.facebook.com/Pinegroveband/posts/10155748505559774 https://www.facebook.com/Pinegroveband/posts/101557485055597... Musician cancels his band's tour because of non-public accusation of "sexual coercion" in a relationship. What were his other options when someone presented this claim to him, presumably with some probability of the claim going public?
  - discoursism 9y ago
    Who is the party who is imposing zero-tolerance here? The band leader disclosed the problem and also decided the "punishment," such as it was. I understand that you're just one person and are not representing this finding as the maximally bad situation. But I would say that if this is the worst that can be found, it's clear to me that we're in no immediate danger of jump-the-gun, zero-tolerance situations becoming common.

zjaffee 9y ago

The fact that you're being downvoted shines very poorly on the HN community as a whole.

dang 9y ago
I understand the sentiment, but your comment breaks the HN guidelines. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. One reason we have such a guideline is that it takes time for the community reaction to actually become clear. The downvote situation usually rights itself, as it has—quite decisively—above. Only a single downvote affected that comment to begin with.