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I see that a new poster was quickly downvoted into oblivion for writing "Clearly you can say this stuff. It's just that the speakers seek to demand no consequen
by chipotle_coyote 9y ago
I see that a new poster was quickly downvoted into oblivion for writing "Clearly you can say this stuff. It's just that the speakers seek to demand no consequences from their speech," but...I think that's largely true. I'm not making a moral judgement about that, per se, but it's worth engaging with the sometimes uncomfortable truth that free speech entails both what you say and how people react to it.
Furthermore, this isn't a new thing. One of the other things "you can't say in Silicon Valley" is that black people are only fit to be slaves to white people, but if anyone's out there shaking their heads and clucking their tongues about how great it'd be to be able to say that if it weren't for those terrible lefty PC liberals always SJWing up the place, do you wanna be associated with them? It turns out that being openly racist in that way is, to most people in most parts of the country, really unacceptable.
Also, I've noticed that when these discussions come up, nobody ever talks about the "stuff you can't say" in more conservative parts of the country. Perhaps part of the reason people out here in the Bay Area are so "intolerant" is because so many of us have suffered consequences for what we say--or even what we don't say, but just what we are--when we've lived in other parts of the country. Try putting a "Black Lives Matter" bumper sticker on your Prius, drive to rural Alabama, and strike up conversations about your strong support for Obamacare, abortion rights, and gun control. Then get back to me about how gosh-darn friendly everyone was to you.
- swimfar 9y agoHave you actually ever lived in Alabama? Or are your views based on anecdotes and stereotypes of the South? I lived there for a short while and it's not Deliverance. In my experience it's a lot more integrated than the Bay Area. Note: (spoilers?) Deliverence doesn't actually paint the negative picture of the south that people associate with the movie. It's just as much about prejudices people have against rural people.
- gamechangr 9y agoI Second that. The south is much more accommodating of opposing views. I've been to Alabama with a large group of friends that were very liberal and I have to admit...the people were incredibly friendly. (maybe not always willing to engage on the issues - but clearly friendly).