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I don’t see the harm in a good organization contributing lot of value to this world having a little fun. Some of the comments are mentioning IT managers bannin

I don’t see the harm in a good organization contributing lot of value to this world having a little fun. Some of the comments are mentioning IT managers banning firefox, those will be the same IT managers doing all the other pennywise/pound foolish things that make you try not to work on their team in the first place. Maybe it’s actually good to put something scary sounding in there to raise awareness. It could help people understand that scary phrases are not the most common sign of foul play. When the real hackers come for you, they usually dont look scary at all.

pavel_lishin 9y ago
> I don’t see the harm in a good organization contributing lot of value to this world having a little fun. One potential downside is that now people might not pay close attention to the installed addons. "Oh, must be some Mozilla thing", as GoldenDwarf quietly consumes user CPU cycles to mine cryptocurrency for someone else.
- flamedoge 9y ago
  This calls for.... anti mining extension. like adblock, miningblock.
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ryanisnan 9y ago
I don't look to my browser's implementation to "have a little fun". This is a foolish decision on Mozilla's part.
- WhitneyLand 9y ago
  poor argument. ostensibly the only reason to separate business from pleasure is out of practical concerns. without stating practical concerns there’s no way consider the validity of your comment. who knows, you may totally change my mind, but as it stands it makes it difficult to disagree or agree with you.
  - Crespyl 9y ago
    How about this: I opted into FF telemetry and "studies" with the understanding that some extra data would be collected and experimental features or specialized debugging tools might get pushed to my browser (like the last "study" I saw for collecting JS errors). This addon is none of those things. It is an advertisement. Call it an "alternate reality game" if you like, but it's an advertisement for a television show. It has nothing to do with making FireFox a better browser. Using the Shield Studies program to deploy extensions and advertisements that have nothing to do with the original stated purpose is an abuse of the tool and a breach of trust. That's all aside from the fact that there's been numerous reports of people receiving the addon who never opted in to Shield Studies in the first place.
    - harshreality 9y ago
      Raising awareness about security and privacy relevant issues from a TV show seems to me like it (indirectly) makes Firefox a better browser. An AR game does nothing to improve the browser by itself, but think of the big picture. Cultural awareness is a big part of it.
      - Crespyl 9y ago
        If you want to take an ideological perspective, the big picture of this is that the browser maker is willing to push advertising software to people who didn't ask for it, over a channel that wasn't built for it, to further a political agenda. Even if it's ostensibly about ideals I might agree with, this was a very poor decision and a breach of trust.
bigbugbag 9y ago
What do you mean having a little fun ? Firefox is bleeding market share and has been for a while. Despite this, revenue and profit is at an all time high for mozilla which is weird as the revenue comes from sending theirs users to google for being profiled and exposed to ads. Meanwhile long time users lose faith and trust in mozilla and firefox. Not exactly the best time to be caught having "a little fun" move showing that they will sneakily install stuff in your browser without asking. Then again mozilla is "making far-reaching and very short-sighted decisions in a vacuum."[1] [1]:http://forums-test.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14736466#p14736466 http://forums-test.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14736466#...
- TAForObvReasons 9y ago
  > Firefox is bleeding market share and has been for a while. http://gs.statcounter.com/ http://gs.statcounter.com/ Chrome 54.98% Safari 14.79% UC Browser 7.98% Firefox 6.09% Internet Explorer 3.88% Opera 3.79% In all fairness, Firefox has overtaken IE.
  - basicplus2 9y ago
    Not really.. Microsoft is killing off internet explorer
  - bigbugbag 9y ago
    Actually chrome and microsoft are responsible for IE hitting the bottom. Look at the following chart from stat counter: https://andreasgal.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/alldevices-e1495689941520.png?w=750 https://andreasgal.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/alldevices-e1... That all versions of firefox combined barely do better than obsolete unsupported browser that the manufacturer actively try to remove from the market is not a good sign.
- WhitneyLand 9y ago
  non sequitur. either it’s right or it’s wrong, whether or not you like the org as a whole doesn’t change that. even so to briefly chase your point, do you believe they are doing net good, and some things are looking more positive, like the servo work? my only point is that criticism works on a relative scale. i agree there are things they could do better, but i still prefer they exist.
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pavel_lishin 9y ago

> I don’t see the harm in a good organization contributing lot of value to this world having a little fun. One potential downside is that now people might not pay close attention to the installed addons. "Oh, must be some Mozilla thing", as GoldenDwarf quietly consumes user CPU cycles to mine cryptocurrency for someone else.

flamedoge 9y ago
This calls for.... anti mining extension. like adblock, miningblock.
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ryanisnan 9y ago

I don't look to my browser's implementation to "have a little fun". This is a foolish decision on Mozilla's part.

WhitneyLand 9y ago
poor argument. ostensibly the only reason to separate business from pleasure is out of practical concerns. without stating practical concerns there’s no way consider the validity of your comment. who knows, you may totally change my mind, but as it stands it makes it difficult to disagree or agree with you.
- Crespyl 9y ago
  How about this: I opted into FF telemetry and "studies" with the understanding that some extra data would be collected and experimental features or specialized debugging tools might get pushed to my browser (like the last "study" I saw for collecting JS errors). This addon is none of those things. It is an advertisement. Call it an "alternate reality game" if you like, but it's an advertisement for a television show. It has nothing to do with making FireFox a better browser. Using the Shield Studies program to deploy extensions and advertisements that have nothing to do with the original stated purpose is an abuse of the tool and a breach of trust. That's all aside from the fact that there's been numerous reports of people receiving the addon who never opted in to Shield Studies in the first place.
  - harshreality 9y ago
    Raising awareness about security and privacy relevant issues from a TV show seems to me like it (indirectly) makes Firefox a better browser. An AR game does nothing to improve the browser by itself, but think of the big picture. Cultural awareness is a big part of it.
    - Crespyl 9y ago
      If you want to take an ideological perspective, the big picture of this is that the browser maker is willing to push advertising software to people who didn't ask for it, over a channel that wasn't built for it, to further a political agenda. Even if it's ostensibly about ideals I might agree with, this was a very poor decision and a breach of trust.

bigbugbag 9y ago

What do you mean having a little fun ? Firefox is bleeding market share and has been for a while. Despite this, revenue and profit is at an all time high for mozilla which is weird as the revenue comes from sending theirs users to google for being profiled and exposed to ads. Meanwhile long time users lose faith and trust in mozilla and firefox. Not exactly the best time to be caught having "a little fun" move showing that they will sneakily install stuff in your browser without asking. Then again mozilla is "making far-reaching and very short-sighted decisions in a vacuum."[1] [1]:http://forums-test.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14736466#p14736466 http://forums-test.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14736466#...

TAForObvReasons 9y ago
> Firefox is bleeding market share and has been for a while. http://gs.statcounter.com/ http://gs.statcounter.com/ Chrome 54.98% Safari 14.79% UC Browser 7.98% Firefox 6.09% Internet Explorer 3.88% Opera 3.79% In all fairness, Firefox has overtaken IE.
- basicplus2 9y ago
  Not really.. Microsoft is killing off internet explorer
- bigbugbag 9y ago
  Actually chrome and microsoft are responsible for IE hitting the bottom. Look at the following chart from stat counter: https://andreasgal.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/alldevices-e1495689941520.png?w=750 https://andreasgal.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/alldevices-e1... That all versions of firefox combined barely do better than obsolete unsupported browser that the manufacturer actively try to remove from the market is not a good sign.
WhitneyLand 9y ago
non sequitur. either it’s right or it’s wrong, whether or not you like the org as a whole doesn’t change that. even so to briefly chase your point, do you believe they are doing net good, and some things are looking more positive, like the servo work? my only point is that criticism works on a relative scale. i agree there are things they could do better, but i still prefer they exist.

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