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So, will Google in return allow Amazon (and maybe also others) to stream to Chromecasts from Android devices without Google Play Services? Will they maybe even

So, will Google in return allow Amazon (and maybe also others) to stream to Chromecasts from Android devices without Google Play Services? Will they maybe even open up the API? I doubt it. Chromecast still has only a single server implementation, which is proprietary, and either a single proprietary client implementation, or potentially two proprietary ones (in case Amazon has reverse engineered Google's Chromecast client for the Chromecast support in the Prime Music app, I haven't verified that yet)

izacus 9y ago
Amazon Music just added Cast support and Google never blocked that. I don't understand your point about proprietary APIs though - will Amazon now also allow Google to replace firmware on FireTV sticks? ;)
- kuschku 9y ago
  You can only cast to Chromecast by using Google's proprietary API, with Google's proprietary library. This only works on devices with Google Play services. On desktop, or on Replicant, LineageOS, CopperheadOS, or Kindle OS, it doesn't work at all. This is important, especially the last part. The company at fault for missing Chromecast support in anything is always Google, because they chose not to make it an open standard, and because they chose to rapidly, sometimes even weekly, change the already obfuscated protocol, to prevent Amazon — and open source devs — from supporting it. I spent hours every week updating my reverse engineered library to connect to it, but in the end, I gave up. Now I have a very expensive brick here.
Oletros 9y ago
> So, will Google in return allow Amazon (and maybe also others) to stream to Chromecasts from Android devices without Google Play Services? Cast services, like Airplay are proprietary technologies
- kuschku 9y ago
  Why should they be? Everything can be open, there’s no reason except greed for profit not to make them open.

izacus 9y ago

Amazon Music just added Cast support and Google never blocked that. I don't understand your point about proprietary APIs though - will Amazon now also allow Google to replace firmware on FireTV sticks? ;)

kuschku 9y ago
You can only cast to Chromecast by using Google's proprietary API, with Google's proprietary library. This only works on devices with Google Play services. On desktop, or on Replicant, LineageOS, CopperheadOS, or Kindle OS, it doesn't work at all. This is important, especially the last part. The company at fault for missing Chromecast support in anything is always Google, because they chose not to make it an open standard, and because they chose to rapidly, sometimes even weekly, change the already obfuscated protocol, to prevent Amazon — and open source devs — from supporting it. I spent hours every week updating my reverse engineered library to connect to it, but in the end, I gave up. Now I have a very expensive brick here.

Oletros 9y ago

> So, will Google in return allow Amazon (and maybe also others) to stream to Chromecasts from Android devices without Google Play Services? Cast services, like Airplay are proprietary technologies

kuschku 9y ago
Why should they be? Everything can be open, there’s no reason except greed for profit not to make them open.