Shirky cites Joseph Tainter. If you want to hear from Tainter directly, which is the podcast that has kept me up at night, listen to this: podcast (en) – omega

Shirky cites Joseph Tainter. If you want to hear from Tainter directly, which is the podcast that has kept me up at night, listen to this: podcast (en) – omega tau science & engineering podcast 184 – Societal Complexity and Collapse https://overcast.fm/+HPTgN-4U https://overcast.fm/+HPTgN-4U Tainter's book on Amazon (no affiliate link): http://a.co/hDAtqpU http://a.co/hDAtqpU