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> they need to figure out how to move no, they don't. You need to consider that telling people to leave the geographic area that is their family home is a shi

> they need to figure out how to move no, they don't. You need to consider that telling people to leave the geographic area that is their family home is a shitty response. You need to consider whether, perhaps, there are government policies that can help these people. You need to consider whether sneering at poor people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps makes you a shitty person. Also how is a single working mother going to have time to learn to fix her own car? you're on another planet right now.

Helmet 9y ago
For the love of god.... I'm intimately acquainted with both being poor and poor people. I have never in my life sneered at them and I donate generously to help them when I am in a position to do so. I have been poor for the majority of my life (I am not anymore) and I have seen firsthand what works and what does not. Your government projects, ideas, and policies are a complete disaster that do nothing but exacerbate the problem. >You need to consider that telling people to leave the geographic area that is their family home is a shitty response. It is the only honest response. It is not what people want to hear, and it certainly isn't as comforting as what most liberals will peddle to the poor working class, but it is the honest truth (as I see it, given my experiences and education). I'm being very blunt in this thread because I am passionate about this issue. I have seen people's lives ruined, people that I grew up with, because they were trapped in a cycle of poverty and crime because their parents refused to do what needed to be done: pack their bags and GTFO and move somewhere where it is cheap to live and where crime is low. >You need to consider whether, perhaps, there are government policies that can help these people. Do you realize the scale of redistribution that would have to occur so that poor people could manage to live in SV? This place is too expensive for middle and upper middle class professionals, much less the working class. What are your great government backed ideas? Publicly subsidized housing? Have you ever lived in a government housing project? Have you been near one? If you haven't, I will gladly share with you my experiences.
- closeparen 9y ago
  The typical proposal from the leftist NIMBY camp is to harden rent control, eliminate no-fault eviction, and require that any new housing production be allocated to existing needy residents by government lottery. Optionally add downzoning to reduce landlord incentives to let buildings die of neglect (no opportunity to build anything more profitable). This effectively makes it impossible for outsiders to displace anyone.
  - Helmet 9y ago
    > harden rent control So price controls... > eliminate no-fault eviction "no-fault eviction" is, quite literally, a made-up magical concept. A landlord that chooses to not renew your lease is not "evicting" you. Both parties have fulfilled their contractual obligations. >any new housing production be allocated to existing needy residents by government lottery OK. Sure, and how long does this go on? Do you really think that this is a feasible long term solution? If the social science and economic literature points to "Yes" then I'm all ears, but I don't think that this is the case. >Optionally add downzoning to reduce landlord incentives to let buildings die of neglect (no opportunity to build anything more profitable). This one was just painful to read. I mean....this is the exact OPPOSITE of what you want to do. The entire issue boils down to supply and demand, and their solution is to further reduce density and the supply of housing!?
    - closeparen 9y ago
      Yes, leftist housing activism is also infuriatingly detached from reality, but the parent comment asked what the government backed alternatives were.
  - julesqs 9y ago
    I literally run a YIMBY blog but cool.
    - closeparen 9y ago
      I’m 100% with you, but it’s worth understanding the opponent.
- julesqs 9y ago
  some new public housing, massive amounts of market rate construction that is currently prevented by NIMBY soning, increased minimum wage, better public schools, universal healthcare and better union protections should do the trick.

Helmet 9y ago

For the love of god.... I'm intimately acquainted with both being poor and poor people. I have never in my life sneered at them and I donate generously to help them when I am in a position to do so. I have been poor for the majority of my life (I am not anymore) and I have seen firsthand what works and what does not. Your government projects, ideas, and policies are a complete disaster that do nothing but exacerbate the problem. >You need to consider that telling people to leave the geographic area that is their family home is a shitty response. It is the only honest response. It is not what people want to hear, and it certainly isn't as comforting as what most liberals will peddle to the poor working class, but it is the honest truth (as I see it, given my experiences and education). I'm being very blunt in this thread because I am passionate about this issue. I have seen people's lives ruined, people that I grew up with, because they were trapped in a cycle of poverty and crime because their parents refused to do what needed to be done: pack their bags and GTFO and move somewhere where it is cheap to live and where crime is low. >You need to consider whether, perhaps, there are government policies that can help these people. Do you realize the scale of redistribution that would have to occur so that poor people could manage to live in SV? This place is too expensive for middle and upper middle class professionals, much less the working class. What are your great government backed ideas? Publicly subsidized housing? Have you ever lived in a government housing project? Have you been near one? If you haven't, I will gladly share with you my experiences.

closeparen 9y ago
The typical proposal from the leftist NIMBY camp is to harden rent control, eliminate no-fault eviction, and require that any new housing production be allocated to existing needy residents by government lottery. Optionally add downzoning to reduce landlord incentives to let buildings die of neglect (no opportunity to build anything more profitable). This effectively makes it impossible for outsiders to displace anyone.
- Helmet 9y ago
  > harden rent control So price controls... > eliminate no-fault eviction "no-fault eviction" is, quite literally, a made-up magical concept. A landlord that chooses to not renew your lease is not "evicting" you. Both parties have fulfilled their contractual obligations. >any new housing production be allocated to existing needy residents by government lottery OK. Sure, and how long does this go on? Do you really think that this is a feasible long term solution? If the social science and economic literature points to "Yes" then I'm all ears, but I don't think that this is the case. >Optionally add downzoning to reduce landlord incentives to let buildings die of neglect (no opportunity to build anything more profitable). This one was just painful to read. I mean....this is the exact OPPOSITE of what you want to do. The entire issue boils down to supply and demand, and their solution is to further reduce density and the supply of housing!?
  - closeparen 9y ago
    Yes, leftist housing activism is also infuriatingly detached from reality, but the parent comment asked what the government backed alternatives were.
- julesqs 9y ago
  I literally run a YIMBY blog but cool.
  - closeparen 9y ago
    I’m 100% with you, but it’s worth understanding the opponent.
julesqs 9y ago
some new public housing, massive amounts of market rate construction that is currently prevented by NIMBY soning, increased minimum wage, better public schools, universal healthcare and better union protections should do the trick.