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> which so far is the only real world example of "net neutrality" being violated in the world, by a Portuguese ISP How would you describe Comcast's throttling

> which so far is the only real world example of "net neutrality" being violated in the world, by a Portuguese ISP How would you describe Comcast's throttling of bittorrent or Rogers throttling of all encrypted traffic in Canada?

dmix 9y ago
Apologies, I should clarify, my Portuguese ISP example is the only real world example of the "TV-style limited internet packages" being deployed by a real-world ISP (which is the primary scenario nearly ever pro-net neutrality article warns about). > Comcast's throttling of bittorrent Were these FCC laws blocking Comcast from throttling Bittorrent traffic? Canada was also the first country to throttle bittorrent traffic as well and the adoption of encryption in Bittorrent clients was largely able to bypass this issue AFAIK (I haven't experienced any slow downs in years in Canada since I toggled "force encrypted peers"). > Rogers throttling of all encrypted traffic in Canada Source? I used Rogers for years and I've never heard of this problem.
- mratzloff 9y ago
  Your example from Portugal is a mobile plan where you can buy additional data.
- charleslmunger 9y ago
  https://www.wired.com/2008/09/comcast-disclos-2/ https://www.wired.com/2008/09/comcast-disclos-2/ ""Comcast's practices are not minimally intrusive, as the company claims, but rather are invasive and have significant effects," the commission said, demanding an end to the practices by year's end." This was under the Title I classification that was struck down by the verizon lawsuit, where the court said that the way to enforce these rules within the FCC's existing powers was via Title II. As for Rogers, http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2007/04/rogers-packet-shaping/ http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2007/04/rogers-packet-shaping/
imglorp 9y ago
Comcast and Verizon both throttled netflix for a while, before getting smacked. What do want to bet that's back in force, as soon as tomorrow perhaps? They've got all the code from last time ready to go. https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521304546.pdf https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521304546.pdf
- ikeboy 9y ago
  There's been no actual proof of throttling. Congestion is not proof of throttling.

dmix 9y ago

Apologies, I should clarify, my Portuguese ISP example is the only real world example of the "TV-style limited internet packages" being deployed by a real-world ISP (which is the primary scenario nearly ever pro-net neutrality article warns about). > Comcast's throttling of bittorrent Were these FCC laws blocking Comcast from throttling Bittorrent traffic? Canada was also the first country to throttle bittorrent traffic as well and the adoption of encryption in Bittorrent clients was largely able to bypass this issue AFAIK (I haven't experienced any slow downs in years in Canada since I toggled "force encrypted peers"). > Rogers throttling of all encrypted traffic in Canada Source? I used Rogers for years and I've never heard of this problem.

mratzloff 9y ago
Your example from Portugal is a mobile plan where you can buy additional data.
charleslmunger 9y ago
https://www.wired.com/2008/09/comcast-disclos-2/ https://www.wired.com/2008/09/comcast-disclos-2/ ""Comcast's practices are not minimally intrusive, as the company claims, but rather are invasive and have significant effects," the commission said, demanding an end to the practices by year's end." This was under the Title I classification that was struck down by the verizon lawsuit, where the court said that the way to enforce these rules within the FCC's existing powers was via Title II. As for Rogers, http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2007/04/rogers-packet-shaping/ http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2007/04/rogers-packet-shaping/

imglorp 9y ago

Comcast and Verizon both throttled netflix for a while, before getting smacked. What do want to bet that's back in force, as soon as tomorrow perhaps? They've got all the code from last time ready to go. https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521304546.pdf https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521304546.pdf

ikeboy 9y ago
There's been no actual proof of throttling. Congestion is not proof of throttling.