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>Maybe next time don't railroad my candidate (Sanders) during the primaries. I will never vote for a neoliberal or corporate Democratic candidate, even if you h

>Maybe next time don't railroad my candidate (Sanders) during the primaries. I will never vote for a neoliberal or corporate Democratic candidate, even if you hold my country hostage. This isn't a game where you earn points for purity. You can pat yourself on the back for not voting for "a neoliberal or corporate Democratic candidate" all you want, but the election had consequences, one of which is Trump becoming President. Presumably as a supporter of Sanders you oppose most if not all of the policies Trump is pursuing, yet your refusal to vote against Trump helped enable everything he is doing whether you intended or like that. Real-world consequences happen regardless of how you think or feel about them. You're putting your own vanity over actual beliefs. If you truly stand for what you claim, you'll fight for it any way you can, even if that's not personally appealing or ideal.

tmat 9y ago
Hillary would have been far worse.. Trump is under every microscope waiting for an impeachable offense.. Hillary would have had full immunity to take bribes as she pleases.
- Goronmon 9y ago
  Hillary would have been far worse.. Trump is under every microscope waiting for an impeachable offense.. Hillary would have had full immunity to take bribes as she pleases. Trump is under a microscope only in the sense that people can point out how corrupt he is acting, but without any power to actually stop that corruption. And the idea that Hillary wasn't under (and wouldn't continue to be under) a microscope it absolutely ridiculous.
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  > Trump is under every microscope waiting for an impeachable offense. Come on. Congressional Republicans held seven separate Benghazi investigations in an attempt to pre-impeach Clinton.
toomuchtodo 9y ago
Electing Trump makes Americans look like fools, but Congress is where the action happens (ACA repeals, despicable tax bills, etc). Repealing the clean power plan? Natural gas and renewables are crushing coal and nuclear, and nothing is going to stop that. Rolling back net neutrality? Citizens get involved in local municipal broadband deployments (as it should be!) where governance is controlled by the local electorate. I'm putting principles (edit: autocorrect fixed) first. I don't fault you if you don't, but what I "stand for" (people taking an active interest in the political landscape) is still going to come to pass, even faster than previously with Trump having been elected (while notably, he has very little control over actual policy). Congress will see more tilting towards progressives under a Trump administration than it ever would have under Clinton. Step 1: Set fire to house Step 2: "Do we have your attention now?" Step 3: Progress
- Sangermaine 9y ago
  >Congress is where the action happens (ACA repeals, despicable tax bills, etc). Repealing the clean power plan? Congress drafts legislation, true, but it would be much harder for Republican legislation to pass if they didn't also control the White House. You'll recall that legislation needs to be approved by the President to become law, and at the very least a President Clinton would not be assisting a Republican Congress and Senate in passing all these things you oppose. >I'm putting principals first. They do work hard to lead their schools and deserve admiration for that, but we should probably be discussing principles. > I don't fault you if you don't, but what I "stand for" is still going to come to pass Maybe, but faux-religious certainty of future victory ignores the very real suffering that comes between now and the glorious future. People losing access to food or healthcare today thanks to Republican policies, for example. That could have been avoided with a different electoral outcome, and telling someone who can no longer afford to eat or get the medication or treatment they need that some day we'll have universal healthcare or UBI or whatever isn't exactly helping. >Step 1: Set fire to house >Step 2: "Do we have your attention now?" >Step 3: Progress Step 1: Set fire to house Step 2: You are homeless and have nothing Step 3: Some day this situation will fix itself, I guess? In the meantime you are starving and living in the street.
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tmat 9y ago

Hillary would have been far worse.. Trump is under every microscope waiting for an impeachable offense.. Hillary would have had full immunity to take bribes as she pleases.

Goronmon 9y ago
Hillary would have been far worse.. Trump is under every microscope waiting for an impeachable offense.. Hillary would have had full immunity to take bribes as she pleases. Trump is under a microscope only in the sense that people can point out how corrupt he is acting, but without any power to actually stop that corruption. And the idea that Hillary wasn't under (and wouldn't continue to be under) a microscope it absolutely ridiculous.
ceejayoz 9y ago
> Trump is under every microscope waiting for an impeachable offense. Come on. Congressional Republicans held seven separate Benghazi investigations in an attempt to pre-impeach Clinton.

toomuchtodo 9y ago

Electing Trump makes Americans look like fools, but Congress is where the action happens (ACA repeals, despicable tax bills, etc). Repealing the clean power plan? Natural gas and renewables are crushing coal and nuclear, and nothing is going to stop that. Rolling back net neutrality? Citizens get involved in local municipal broadband deployments (as it should be!) where governance is controlled by the local electorate. I'm putting principles (edit: autocorrect fixed) first. I don't fault you if you don't, but what I "stand for" (people taking an active interest in the political landscape) is still going to come to pass, even faster than previously with Trump having been elected (while notably, he has very little control over actual policy). Congress will see more tilting towards progressives under a Trump administration than it ever would have under Clinton. Step 1: Set fire to house Step 2: "Do we have your attention now?" Step 3: Progress

Sangermaine 9y ago
>Congress is where the action happens (ACA repeals, despicable tax bills, etc). Repealing the clean power plan? Congress drafts legislation, true, but it would be much harder for Republican legislation to pass if they didn't also control the White House. You'll recall that legislation needs to be approved by the President to become law, and at the very least a President Clinton would not be assisting a Republican Congress and Senate in passing all these things you oppose. >I'm putting principals first. They do work hard to lead their schools and deserve admiration for that, but we should probably be discussing principles. > I don't fault you if you don't, but what I "stand for" is still going to come to pass Maybe, but faux-religious certainty of future victory ignores the very real suffering that comes between now and the glorious future. People losing access to food or healthcare today thanks to Republican policies, for example. That could have been avoided with a different electoral outcome, and telling someone who can no longer afford to eat or get the medication or treatment they need that some day we'll have universal healthcare or UBI or whatever isn't exactly helping. >Step 1: Set fire to house >Step 2: "Do we have your attention now?" >Step 3: Progress Step 1: Set fire to house Step 2: You are homeless and have nothing Step 3: Some day this situation will fix itself, I guess? In the meantime you are starving and living in the street.
- 9y ago