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> The only reason the rule got put into place was because Verizon was found to be throttling Netflix. No that's inaccurate. Title II reclassification happened

> The only reason the rule got put into place was because Verizon was found to be throttling Netflix. No that's inaccurate. Title II reclassification happened in 2015. Verizon Netflix "throttling" (controversial what actually happened there) happened in 2017.

peg_leg 9y ago
No, your reply is innacurate: https://www.extremetech.com/g00/computing/186576-verizon-caught-throttling-netflix-traffic-even-after-its-pays-for-more-bandwidth?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3D&i10c.ua=1 https://www.extremetech.com/g00/computing/186576-verizon-cau...
- wdewind 9y ago
  Edit: I'm having multiple people reply with basically the same thing which is: look here's what happened in 2014. I'm just going to reply to all of you here: What happened in 2014 was not throttling in the last mile, which is what the 2015 Title II re-classification protects against, so this would've been legal even without the repeal (and more importantly did not meaningfully contribute to Title II classification, like parent is implying). What happened in 2017 probably wasn't either, but could more reasonably be construed that way because it was all happening inside of Verizon's network. The Netflix Verizon case illustrates what makes Net Neutrality law so difficult to describe in technical terms. Verizon was not slowing down netflix packets, netflix was so big that it fully saturated multiple links. You can argue about what this implies for the peering agreements that are setup, but regardless this area is simply not something that net neutrality covers. Net neutrality says the last mile needs to treat all content it receives the same way. If the congestion is further up the network, NN has nothing to do with it.
nscalf 9y ago
That's not true. Netflix has a site comparing internet speeds far before this year to illustrate how it was being throttled.
claytonjy 9y ago
That's a different case I believe; parent is correct, see https://technical.ly/philly/2014/05/09/graph-show https://technical.ly/philly/2014/05/09/graph-show for various relevant articles from 2014.
drbawb 9y ago
https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/ https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-com...
Pharylon 9y ago
He means the Verizon Fiber throttling, not Verizon Wireless.
pythonaut_16 9y ago
If Verizon/others start throttling Netflix again they (Netflix) should just start making ISPs the butt of the joke in some of their original content, or make content directly calling them out.

peg_leg 9y ago

No, your reply is innacurate: https://www.extremetech.com/g00/computing/186576-verizon-caught-throttling-netflix-traffic-even-after-its-pays-for-more-bandwidth?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3D&i10c.ua=1 https://www.extremetech.com/g00/computing/186576-verizon-cau...

wdewind 9y ago
Edit: I'm having multiple people reply with basically the same thing which is: look here's what happened in 2014. I'm just going to reply to all of you here: What happened in 2014 was not throttling in the last mile, which is what the 2015 Title II re-classification protects against, so this would've been legal even without the repeal (and more importantly did not meaningfully contribute to Title II classification, like parent is implying). What happened in 2017 probably wasn't either, but could more reasonably be construed that way because it was all happening inside of Verizon's network. The Netflix Verizon case illustrates what makes Net Neutrality law so difficult to describe in technical terms. Verizon was not slowing down netflix packets, netflix was so big that it fully saturated multiple links. You can argue about what this implies for the peering agreements that are setup, but regardless this area is simply not something that net neutrality covers. Net neutrality says the last mile needs to treat all content it receives the same way. If the congestion is further up the network, NN has nothing to do with it.

nscalf 9y ago

That's not true. Netflix has a site comparing internet speeds far before this year to illustrate how it was being throttled.

claytonjy 9y ago

That's a different case I believe; parent is correct, see https://technical.ly/philly/2014/05/09/graph-show https://technical.ly/philly/2014/05/09/graph-show for various relevant articles from 2014.

drbawb 9y ago

https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/ https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-com...

Pharylon 9y ago

He means the Verizon Fiber throttling, not Verizon Wireless.

pythonaut_16 9y ago

If Verizon/others start throttling Netflix again they (Netflix) should just start making ISPs the butt of the joke in some of their original content, or make content directly calling them out.