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I think you paint pro's with a pretty wide brush. Pro developers or IT people, sure... Pro animators, designers, architects, engineers? I think many pro's just

by j2bax 9y ago

I think you paint pro's with a pretty wide brush. Pro developers or IT people, sure... Pro animators, designers, architects, engineers? I think many pro's just want their system to be fast, run their software and complete their tasks efficiently. Nice form factor is probably even a benefit to a lot of them, more than the ability to swap parts.

chaostheory 9y ago
No, I feel that you may have misread my comment. I'm specifically referring to developers and only developers. > designers, architects. Nice form factor is probably even a benefit to a lot of them, more than the ability to swap parts. You're right. These are the professions that need a lot of physical space for whom the slim form factors makes sense. I just vaguely remember Phil Schiller saying that the new machines will better cater to developers.
- j2bax 9y ago
  Sorry about that. Upon re-reading I see that you did specify developers. I will add that most of the developers I work with don't like to mess around with their work computer much... I'm sure at home they like to customize and do their own thing but I doubt that's a specific market Apple is trying to cater directly to.
  - chaostheory 9y ago
    Yeah that makes sense for developers who clock in and out for a large conglomerate. It's not the same for devs who work for a startup.
    - anko 9y ago
      I'm really interested in what you're doing in a startup that needs all that power locally. For me, I would probably be happy with a 2 core macbook but I use a 4 core macbook pro. If I'm doing something that needs a lot of compute, it's in the cloud.
      - chaostheory 9y ago
        I use the usual resource hogs like full blown IDEs, multiple electron apps, a million browser windows, server instances, and more; with occasional heavy processing or regular integration tests. Yes I can offload stuff to the cloud. I just don't want to, just like you're happier with a laptop as opposed to a desktop. I don't want to deal with issues like latency and configuration or more importantly constantly thinking about whether or not I have enough resources to run something locally. There's enough things in my life that I have to budget.
        cglace 9y ago
        You need more than 64GB for your IDE and electron apps? I have a 16GB macbook pro and I run two different IDE's, firefox with about 20-30 tabs, Eagle, and various other programs. I rarely run into swapping problems.
        chaostheory 9y ago
        > You need more than 64GB for your IDE and electron apps? "with occasional heavy processing" Yes. Besides why would you want a powerful machine frozen in amber when it's not a laptop?
        cglace 9y ago
        It really depends on what your workload is. I would assume for most people 64 GB is going to be more than enough for the next 5 years. For me the real concern is with the GPU. As soon as apple comes out with a 32GB macbook pro I'll probably upgrade and just attach an eGPU to it.
        chaostheory 9y ago
        > For me the real concern is with the GPU. This is actually my main concern as well which is atleast addressed with a solution. Upgrading SSDs is the other but I don't like using Thunderbolt. I really want to stay with Mac OS, but Apple just makes it harder and harder with every year while Windows is getting a little better at the same time under Nadella.

by j2bax 9y ago

chaostheory 9y ago

No, I feel that you may have misread my comment. I'm specifically referring to developers and only developers. > designers, architects. Nice form factor is probably even a benefit to a lot of them, more than the ability to swap parts. You're right. These are the professions that need a lot of physical space for whom the slim form factors makes sense. I just vaguely remember Phil Schiller saying that the new machines will better cater to developers.

j2bax 9y ago
Sorry about that. Upon re-reading I see that you did specify developers. I will add that most of the developers I work with don't like to mess around with their work computer much... I'm sure at home they like to customize and do their own thing but I doubt that's a specific market Apple is trying to cater directly to.
- chaostheory 9y ago
  Yeah that makes sense for developers who clock in and out for a large conglomerate. It's not the same for devs who work for a startup.
  - anko 9y ago
    I'm really interested in what you're doing in a startup that needs all that power locally. For me, I would probably be happy with a 2 core macbook but I use a 4 core macbook pro. If I'm doing something that needs a lot of compute, it's in the cloud.
    - chaostheory 9y ago
      I use the usual resource hogs like full blown IDEs, multiple electron apps, a million browser windows, server instances, and more; with occasional heavy processing or regular integration tests. Yes I can offload stuff to the cloud. I just don't want to, just like you're happier with a laptop as opposed to a desktop. I don't want to deal with issues like latency and configuration or more importantly constantly thinking about whether or not I have enough resources to run something locally. There's enough things in my life that I have to budget.
      - cglace 9y ago
        You need more than 64GB for your IDE and electron apps? I have a 16GB macbook pro and I run two different IDE's, firefox with about 20-30 tabs, Eagle, and various other programs. I rarely run into swapping problems.
        chaostheory 9y ago
        > You need more than 64GB for your IDE and electron apps? "with occasional heavy processing" Yes. Besides why would you want a powerful machine frozen in amber when it's not a laptop?
        cglace 9y ago
        It really depends on what your workload is. I would assume for most people 64 GB is going to be more than enough for the next 5 years. For me the real concern is with the GPU. As soon as apple comes out with a 32GB macbook pro I'll probably upgrade and just attach an eGPU to it.
        chaostheory 9y ago
        > For me the real concern is with the GPU. This is actually my main concern as well which is atleast addressed with a solution. Upgrading SSDs is the other but I don't like using Thunderbolt. I really want to stay with Mac OS, but Apple just makes it harder and harder with every year while Windows is getting a little better at the same time under Nadella.