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The cheese grater style Mac Pros were the best for developers. Still hasn't changed. They were reasonably priced, good looking boxes that you can open and upgr

The cheese grater style Mac Pros were the best for developers. Still hasn't changed. They were reasonably priced, good looking boxes that you can open and upgrade. We don't care about compactness unless it's a laptop. Key feature is that we can open the box and there's room to add and change stuff inside. Otherwise it's not really 'Pro'. This is even more relevant when you have horsepower hungry stuff like VR. It's only a matter of time before Win 10 Unix features mature, and it makes me migrate back to Windows.

j2bax 9y ago
I think you paint pro's with a pretty wide brush. Pro developers or IT people, sure... Pro animators, designers, architects, engineers? I think many pro's just want their system to be fast, run their software and complete their tasks efficiently. Nice form factor is probably even a benefit to a lot of them, more than the ability to swap parts.
- chaostheory 9y ago
  No, I feel that you may have misread my comment. I'm specifically referring to developers and only developers. > designers, architects. Nice form factor is probably even a benefit to a lot of them, more than the ability to swap parts. You're right. These are the professions that need a lot of physical space for whom the slim form factors makes sense. I just vaguely remember Phil Schiller saying that the new machines will better cater to developers.
  - j2bax 9y ago
    Sorry about that. Upon re-reading I see that you did specify developers. I will add that most of the developers I work with don't like to mess around with their work computer much... I'm sure at home they like to customize and do their own thing but I doubt that's a specific market Apple is trying to cater directly to.
    - chaostheory 9y ago
      Yeah that makes sense for developers who clock in and out for a large conglomerate. It's not the same for devs who work for a startup.
      - anko 9y ago
        I'm really interested in what you're doing in a startup that needs all that power locally. For me, I would probably be happy with a 2 core macbook but I use a 4 core macbook pro. If I'm doing something that needs a lot of compute, it's in the cloud.
        chaostheory 9y ago
        I use the usual resource hogs like full blown IDEs, multiple electron apps, a million browser windows, server instances, and more; with occasional heavy processing or regular integration tests. Yes I can offload stuff to the cloud. I just don't want to, just like you're happier with a laptop as opposed to a desktop. I don't want to deal with issues like latency and configuration or more importantly constantly thinking about whether or not I have enough resources to run something locally. There's enough things in my life that I have to budget.
        cglace 9y ago
        You need more than 64GB for your IDE and electron apps? I have a 16GB macbook pro and I run two different IDE's, firefox with about 20-30 tabs, Eagle, and various other programs. I rarely run into swapping problems.
        chaostheory 9y ago
        > You need more than 64GB for your IDE and electron apps? "with occasional heavy processing" Yes. Besides why would you want a powerful machine frozen in amber when it's not a laptop?

j2bax 9y ago

I think you paint pro's with a pretty wide brush. Pro developers or IT people, sure... Pro animators, designers, architects, engineers? I think many pro's just want their system to be fast, run their software and complete their tasks efficiently. Nice form factor is probably even a benefit to a lot of them, more than the ability to swap parts.

chaostheory 9y ago
No, I feel that you may have misread my comment. I'm specifically referring to developers and only developers. > designers, architects. Nice form factor is probably even a benefit to a lot of them, more than the ability to swap parts. You're right. These are the professions that need a lot of physical space for whom the slim form factors makes sense. I just vaguely remember Phil Schiller saying that the new machines will better cater to developers.
- j2bax 9y ago
  Sorry about that. Upon re-reading I see that you did specify developers. I will add that most of the developers I work with don't like to mess around with their work computer much... I'm sure at home they like to customize and do their own thing but I doubt that's a specific market Apple is trying to cater directly to.
  - chaostheory 9y ago
    Yeah that makes sense for developers who clock in and out for a large conglomerate. It's not the same for devs who work for a startup.
    - anko 9y ago
      I'm really interested in what you're doing in a startup that needs all that power locally. For me, I would probably be happy with a 2 core macbook but I use a 4 core macbook pro. If I'm doing something that needs a lot of compute, it's in the cloud.
      - chaostheory 9y ago
        I use the usual resource hogs like full blown IDEs, multiple electron apps, a million browser windows, server instances, and more; with occasional heavy processing or regular integration tests. Yes I can offload stuff to the cloud. I just don't want to, just like you're happier with a laptop as opposed to a desktop. I don't want to deal with issues like latency and configuration or more importantly constantly thinking about whether or not I have enough resources to run something locally. There's enough things in my life that I have to budget.
        cglace 9y ago
        You need more than 64GB for your IDE and electron apps? I have a 16GB macbook pro and I run two different IDE's, firefox with about 20-30 tabs, Eagle, and various other programs. I rarely run into swapping problems.
        chaostheory 9y ago
        > You need more than 64GB for your IDE and electron apps? "with occasional heavy processing" Yes. Besides why would you want a powerful machine frozen in amber when it's not a laptop?