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This is not a pro machine, no one can upgrade the RAM or open this up for anything. This is suitable for rich YouTubers. Apple is now pretty much clueless.

simonh 9y ago
It's the last nail in their coffin for sure. No way they can come back from this. Look, Pro means a different thing to Apple than it does to you. For Apple Pro means professional content creators - photographers, graphic artists, publishers, video editors, animators and yes, rich Youtubers. Those are creative professionals, which is what Apple means by Pro. It doesn't necessarily mean developer or even techie of any kind. If there's one thing Apple really do have a clue about, it's who their customers are. See the record, industry trend beating sales of the touchbar Macbook Pros despite being widely panned by tech pundits. Does that mean Apple can't make mistakes? Clearly they misjudged the direction high performance computing was heading a few years back. The Mac Pro is intended to be the definitive answer to that question and this is a step in that direction and it looks like it's already working. The reviews of these machines have been breathless, they're a massive step up in power which was exactly what was needed right now.
pgwhalen 9y ago
Why are you so sure that upgradability is a requirement for a pro machine? I’m asking genuinely, not because I’m a “pro,” but because I’ve read annecdotes of people who use Macs professionally but do not feel the need to upgrade their internals over the life of the machine. Perhaps Apple has recognized that.
- jotjotzzz 9y ago
  Really? I upgraded by Macbook's hard drive and RAM because I can and it was available to sped up the performance, I'm still able to use it up until now and it's an old machine but the upgrade is making it last longer. I also upgraded my parent's iMac after the hard drive failed and also installed additional RAM to speed up their experience. Those aren't pro machines but day-to-day computing needs. For this price point I would have expected to be able to do these things, and knowing pros use their machines heavily and rely on it, it's a pain in the ass not to have this ability. Perhaps it's already great out of the box and nothing else is needed, it's perfectly future proof. But honestly, if the option is available to upgrade parts -- I'm sure people would love it more. In addition -- the commenter above, I'm not bashing on Apple. In fact, I am an Apple stockholder. I am only saying they have failed in many ways to satisfy the customer's needs but instead make decisions now based on the marketing and profit. You can only do that for so long until your supporters start jumping ship. My comment is more of frustration not bashing.
dbbk 9y ago
Give me a break. They took their current iMac and added a more powerful configuration. They also pre-announced that a modular Mac Pro is in development and coming soon. What is the possible downside of doing this?
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simonh 9y ago

It's the last nail in their coffin for sure. No way they can come back from this. Look, Pro means a different thing to Apple than it does to you. For Apple Pro means professional content creators - photographers, graphic artists, publishers, video editors, animators and yes, rich Youtubers. Those are creative professionals, which is what Apple means by Pro. It doesn't necessarily mean developer or even techie of any kind. If there's one thing Apple really do have a clue about, it's who their customers are. See the record, industry trend beating sales of the touchbar Macbook Pros despite being widely panned by tech pundits. Does that mean Apple can't make mistakes? Clearly they misjudged the direction high performance computing was heading a few years back. The Mac Pro is intended to be the definitive answer to that question and this is a step in that direction and it looks like it's already working. The reviews of these machines have been breathless, they're a massive step up in power which was exactly what was needed right now.

pgwhalen 9y ago

Why are you so sure that upgradability is a requirement for a pro machine? I’m asking genuinely, not because I’m a “pro,” but because I’ve read annecdotes of people who use Macs professionally but do not feel the need to upgrade their internals over the life of the machine. Perhaps Apple has recognized that.

jotjotzzz 9y ago
Really? I upgraded by Macbook's hard drive and RAM because I can and it was available to sped up the performance, I'm still able to use it up until now and it's an old machine but the upgrade is making it last longer. I also upgraded my parent's iMac after the hard drive failed and also installed additional RAM to speed up their experience. Those aren't pro machines but day-to-day computing needs. For this price point I would have expected to be able to do these things, and knowing pros use their machines heavily and rely on it, it's a pain in the ass not to have this ability. Perhaps it's already great out of the box and nothing else is needed, it's perfectly future proof. But honestly, if the option is available to upgrade parts -- I'm sure people would love it more. In addition -- the commenter above, I'm not bashing on Apple. In fact, I am an Apple stockholder. I am only saying they have failed in many ways to satisfy the customer's needs but instead make decisions now based on the marketing and profit. You can only do that for so long until your supporters start jumping ship. My comment is more of frustration not bashing.

dbbk 9y ago

Give me a break. They took their current iMac and added a more powerful configuration. They also pre-announced that a modular Mac Pro is in development and coming soon. What is the possible downside of doing this?

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