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Maybe there will be a consolidation and some crappy repetitive movies will go away? I think these businesses are overvalued. What happens when consumers get si

by matt_s 9y ago

Maybe there will be a consolidation and some crappy repetitive movies will go away? I think these businesses are overvalued. What happens when consumers get sick of the super hero genre? EDIT: for whoever down-voted - that wasn't a sarcastic question. Honest question of what happens when the main products lose popularity? If there is a downturn in interest in that, will they get their $50B back?

JustSomeNobody 9y ago
They'll make westerns.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  It'd be an improvement.
- matt-attack 9y ago
  Wrestling pictures!
emodendroket 9y ago
I don't think a greater concentration than ever of movie studios is going to lead to creative flourishing, no.
- donatj 9y ago
  I feel like it could lead to more independent studios popping up, but I’m an optimist.
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    I'd think the independent studios would be less able to gain a foothold in this scenario.
    - donatj 9y ago
      I feel like the consolation leaves a hole in the market, particularly considering Disney’s conservative tastes in movies they allow to be made in their name.
      - emodendroket 9y ago
        But how do you get into theaters who don't want to upset, after all, the guys with the blockbusters?
indubitable 9y ago
An interesting datum is that movie ticket sales are actually down, big time. [1] Movies hit their peak, in tickets sold, way back in 2002. We're down 26% since then. Factor in population increases which should have resulted in a roughly proportional increase in ticket sales and it's shocking how bad movies are doing. But record breaking sales...? That's gross receipts or tickets_sold x cost_per_ticket. Ticket sales are dropping fast, but the price per ticket is increasing even faster. Some masterful grasp of supply and demand there... Movie companies seem to be in completely denial about the change in quality being the source of their problems. This goes to explain many otherwise bizarre behaviors such as the cinemas absolute obsession with piracy even though most studies show it has at worst a modest effect. That's actually perhaps the thing I find most ridiculous about mega corporations. There seems to be this complete lack of self accountability. When reception or sales are poor they will blame absolutely everything under the sun, except their own decisions. It's like how in the video game industry there was this belief that game review ratings had a causal relationship to increased sales. So the games industry completely gamed ratings and the correlation all but entirely disappeared. Go figure, games actually being good was the confounding variable. Who could have guessed? [1] - https://www.the-numbers.com/market/ https://www.the-numbers.com/market/
- doomlaser 9y ago
  > Movie companies seem to be in completely denial about the change in quality being the source of their problems Don't you think on demand internet distribution is the true source of the problem? Record sales were at their peak in 2002 too. https://kyigt1bcans3ofli94di0kch-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/9/files/2014/02/dollars-inflation-edited.jpg https://kyigt1bcans3ofli94di0kch-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-...
  - indubitable 9y ago
    Streaming services like Netflix didn't even exist, as streaming services, until sometime around 2007. And prior to that the vast majority of people would not have had the hardware/connection to be able to stream effectively in any case. Movies had already long since been in decline. Similarly, the time line is also another bit of evidence that piracy is also not the problem.
vlunkr 9y ago
> crappy repetitive movies will go away looks at list of upcoming Marvel movies In seriousness though, I think there is 0 harm in multiple studios releasing competing movies. It should mean more variety and it’s not like you have to watch them all.
- valine 9y ago
  I’m personally excited for the crossover potential. The marvel comics were full of crossovers, writing standalone movies kinda does the source material a disservice imho. In terms of quality, Disney seems to be doing the best job when it comes to super hero movies. If one company was to have the movie rights to all the marvel characters I’d say Disney is the best option.

by matt_s 9y ago

JustSomeNobody 9y ago

They'll make westerns.

emodendroket 9y ago
It'd be an improvement.
matt-attack 9y ago
Wrestling pictures!

emodendroket 9y ago

I don't think a greater concentration than ever of movie studios is going to lead to creative flourishing, no.

donatj 9y ago
I feel like it could lead to more independent studios popping up, but I’m an optimist.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  I'd think the independent studios would be less able to gain a foothold in this scenario.
  - donatj 9y ago
    I feel like the consolation leaves a hole in the market, particularly considering Disney’s conservative tastes in movies they allow to be made in their name.
    - emodendroket 9y ago
      But how do you get into theaters who don't want to upset, after all, the guys with the blockbusters?

indubitable 9y ago

An interesting datum is that movie ticket sales are actually down, big time. [1] Movies hit their peak, in tickets sold, way back in 2002. We're down 26% since then. Factor in population increases which should have resulted in a roughly proportional increase in ticket sales and it's shocking how bad movies are doing. But record breaking sales...? That's gross receipts or tickets_sold x cost_per_ticket. Ticket sales are dropping fast, but the price per ticket is increasing even faster. Some masterful grasp of supply and demand there... Movie companies seem to be in completely denial about the change in quality being the source of their problems. This goes to explain many otherwise bizarre behaviors such as the cinemas absolute obsession with piracy even though most studies show it has at worst a modest effect. That's actually perhaps the thing I find most ridiculous about mega corporations. There seems to be this complete lack of self accountability. When reception or sales are poor they will blame absolutely everything under the sun, except their own decisions. It's like how in the video game industry there was this belief that game review ratings had a causal relationship to increased sales. So the games industry completely gamed ratings and the correlation all but entirely disappeared. Go figure, games actually being good was the confounding variable. Who could have guessed? [1] - https://www.the-numbers.com/market/ https://www.the-numbers.com/market/

doomlaser 9y ago
> Movie companies seem to be in completely denial about the change in quality being the source of their problems Don't you think on demand internet distribution is the true source of the problem? Record sales were at their peak in 2002 too. https://kyigt1bcans3ofli94di0kch-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/9/files/2014/02/dollars-inflation-edited.jpg https://kyigt1bcans3ofli94di0kch-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-...
- indubitable 9y ago
  Streaming services like Netflix didn't even exist, as streaming services, until sometime around 2007. And prior to that the vast majority of people would not have had the hardware/connection to be able to stream effectively in any case. Movies had already long since been in decline. Similarly, the time line is also another bit of evidence that piracy is also not the problem.

vlunkr 9y ago

> crappy repetitive movies will go away looks at list of upcoming Marvel movies In seriousness though, I think there is 0 harm in multiple studios releasing competing movies. It should mean more variety and it’s not like you have to watch them all.

valine 9y ago
I’m personally excited for the crossover potential. The marvel comics were full of crossovers, writing standalone movies kinda does the source material a disservice imho. In terms of quality, Disney seems to be doing the best job when it comes to super hero movies. If one company was to have the movie rights to all the marvel characters I’d say Disney is the best option.