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> I think any government of SPD and Greens will wiggle out. What is this supposed to be based on? SPD and Greens were those who sent troops to Yugoslavia and t

by aluhut 9y ago

> I think any government of SPD and Greens will wiggle out. What is this supposed to be based on? SPD and Greens were those who sent troops to Yugoslavia and the Greens had some values back then. Here is a statement by them supporting the sanctions: https://www.gruene-bundestag.de/presse/audiovideo/statement-von-katrin-goering-eckardt-zu-brexit-russland-sanktionen-tuerkei-und-erbschaftssteuer.html https://www.gruene-bundestag.de/presse/audiovideo/statement-... Besides that, both SPD and Grüne and SPD and Linke are far away from forming a government without CDU. Not even mentioning that SPD doesn't even take Linke serious. > If Russia plays the Russian-minority-we-have-nothing-to-do-with-it-Crimea-shenanigans with the baltic state, yes. This didn't even work out in the Ukraine. They are still losing big money there every day and they are stuck just like in those other regions at the end of the world you've mentioned as signs of strength. > Russia is seen as the victim of the Ukraine crisis. 50% of SPD members/voters -.... Where do you get this from? Why not provide source for this? Instead you come with a 2014 source on Crimea. Adding to my Russia is weak and support for Russia is low even though Germany suffers from the sanctions: http://www.rp-online.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/russland-sanktionen-deutsche-unternehmen-tragen-40-prozent-der-westlichen-handelsverluste-aid-1.7265698 http://www.rp-online.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/russland-sank... Pay attention to the third last paragraph: > Die restlichen 91 Prozent kämen zustande, weil keine Finanzierungsmöglichkeiten in Russland mehr für den Import bereitstünden. @your Ninja Edit [2]: > Gleichzeitig äußern große Mehrheiten – in der Regel zwei Drittel und mehr – die Erwartung, die Vereinigten Staaten würden militärische Gewalt anwenden, um das bedrängte Land zu verteidigen. So short of half of the people don't want to go to war but most expect the US to do it for them. You would have to twist this like hell to interpret that those people support Russia in any way. Further down there is a 23% support for Putin in Germany. Which contradicts your assumptions above and covers pretty much the radical left and right party voters/members. They are by far no majority and this is already the highest number in the EU.

_Codemonkeyism 9y ago
"SPD and Greens were those who sent troops to Yugoslavia" Both the SPD (Schroeder) and Greens (Fischer) where right dominated past then. Both parties are left dominated now. "Here is a statement by them supporting the sanctions" I thought we were talking about the NATO case in Germany when NATO is attacked by Russia, not sanctions. The quoted article states 58% of Germans would not support Germany defending east European states when being attacked by Russia. 58% looks like a majority of people to me. "They are still losing big money there every day and they are stuck just like in those other regions at the end of the world you've mentioned as signs of strength." Repeattly annexing parts out of other countries without a military response looks like a sign of strengh to me. "Besides that, both SPD and Grüne and SPD and Linke are far away from forming a government without CDU." Why are you not providing a source for that? "They are still losing big money" Why are you not providing a source for that? "Greens had some values back then." Why are you not providing a source for that? "above and covers pretty much the radical left and right party voters/members. " Why are you not providing a source for that? Stupid game, isn't it?

by aluhut 9y ago

_Codemonkeyism 9y ago

"SPD and Greens were those who sent troops to Yugoslavia" Both the SPD (Schroeder) and Greens (Fischer) where right dominated past then. Both parties are left dominated now. "Here is a statement by them supporting the sanctions" I thought we were talking about the NATO case in Germany when NATO is attacked by Russia, not sanctions. The quoted article states 58% of Germans would not support Germany defending east European states when being attacked by Russia. 58% looks like a majority of people to me. "They are still losing big money there every day and they are stuck just like in those other regions at the end of the world you've mentioned as signs of strength." Repeattly annexing parts out of other countries without a military response looks like a sign of strengh to me. "Besides that, both SPD and Grüne and SPD and Linke are far away from forming a government without CDU." Why are you not providing a source for that? "They are still losing big money" Why are you not providing a source for that? "Greens had some values back then." Why are you not providing a source for that? "above and covers pretty much the radical left and right party voters/members. " Why are you not providing a source for that? Stupid game, isn't it?