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I live in Germany too but I still fail to see where you get your assessment from. What are those "other" governments you are talking about? AfD and die Linke co
by aluhut 9y ago
I live in Germany too but I still fail to see where you get your assessment from. What are those "other" governments you are talking about? AfD and die Linke coalition? Because they are the only ones who have problems with NATO and love Russia. Both are far away from being even considered seriously in day to day business and their ties to Russia are a topic for itself.
> Contrary to every evidence Russia is seen as a victim by large parts of the population.
Do you seriously believe Russia would be seen as a victim when it invades another country? Seriously? By whom? AfD? And how would that new invasion look like to you? People welcoming the Russian Freedomfighters? Do you thing there would be no dead people there?!
And why should it be seen positively when the invasion in Ukraine has not been seen positively while the sanctions against Russia are seen positively: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/292793/umfrage/umfrage-zu-sanktionen-gegen-russland-aufgrund-der-krim-krise/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/292793/umfrag... even though Germany is among those who are hurt by those sanctions.
> With Crimea, South Ossetia, Abkhazia etc. etc. Russia doesn't look like the weak party to me.
Please don't kid yourself. Most people here don't even know where this is and their illegal involvement in Ukraine made them the evil guy for a long time. It did not help them at all and it doesn't help your point at all.
I really wonder where you come from. AfD, Linke, Querfront?
- _Codemonkeyism 9y agoI think any government of SPD and Greens will wiggle out. Obvously any government with the communists (Linke). Don't think a government with AfD will happen soon or ever. "Please don't kid yourself. Most people don't even know where this is and their illegal involvement in Ukraine made them the evil guy for a long time. It did not help them at all and it doesn't help your point at all." After rereading this, I still can't follow your point. "Do you seriously believe Russia would be seen as a victim when it invades another country? Seriously? By whom? AfD?" If Russia plays the Russian-minority-we-have-nothing-to-do-with-it-Crimea-shenanigans with the baltic state, yes. Russia is seen as the victim of the Ukraine crisis. 50% of SPD members/voters - more if it's left dominated as it currenty is compared to a Schmidt/Schroeder/Brand rightist dominated SPD - 50% of Green members/voters - less if Realos dominate like Fisher, but the Greens are currently dominated by Fundi positions - 100% of Linke voters of course, no clue about AfD. Just read [1] for example, 39% of people in Germany think Germany should accept Crimea as part of Russia. In a government without the conservatives that position would have the majority. Or here [2], majority of people in France (53), Italy (51) and Germany (58) would not defend an eastern NATO country attaked by Russia. [1] http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2014-11/deutsche-umfrage-krim-annexion http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2014-11/deutsche-umfr... [2] http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/umfrage-zur-ukraine-krise-putin-polarisiert-13638108.html http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/umfrage-zur-ukrai...