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Well that's a nail in the coffin of Cryengine. Who would want to deal with lawsuits just for using a (kind of) free engine, when we have Unity, Unreal, Lumberya

Well that's a nail in the coffin of Cryengine. Who would want to deal with lawsuits just for using a (kind of) free engine, when we have Unity, Unreal, Lumberyard, StingRay, Source, Godot, Phyre, Blender?

flohofwoe 9y ago
You can scratch Stingray from the list unfortunately: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/stingray/learn-explore/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/stingray-end-of-sale-faq.html https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/stingray/learn-explor...
- jarsin 9y ago
  HAHA Autodesk strikes again. Google should buy them..a match made in heaven.
erikj 9y ago
Source is pretty expensive due to the mandatory Havok fee.
- shak77 9y ago
  What are the numbers? Is Havok really mandatory? Wouldn't it be possible to replace Havok with Bullet or some other related system?
  - erikj 9y ago
    $25,000. Valve doesn't distribute Source without it, as far as I know. Replacing Havok would take a lot of effort which is better spent elsewhere.
    - Strom 9y ago
      Valve has been working on a physics engine called Rubikon since at least 2012. [1] Maybe it will be used to fully replace Havok in Source 2. -- [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTC0V0LWeGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTC0V0LWeGI [1] http://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/2014/Sergiy_Migdalskiy_Debugging_Techniques.pdf http://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/2014/Sergiy_Migdals... [1] http://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/2015/Migdalskiy_Sergiy_Physics_Optimization_Strategies.pdf http://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/2015/Migdalskiy_Ser...
      - erikj 9y ago
        Source 2 is another matter altogether. Valve doesn't share it with third-party developers at all, whether you pay or not. There were plans back in 2015 to make it free with the condition that any game made with it has to be published to Steam non-exclusively, but that still hasn't happened yet.
- frik 9y ago
  Does Source ship nowadays with a recent Havok physics library nowadays? I heard they used to use an decade old physics library that just got bought by Havok company in the meantime and has nothing to do with the Havok physic engines everyone knows.
  - erikj 9y ago
    No, it's still using Valve's fork of that old library (Ipion Virtual Physics) that's referred in the documentation to as VPhysics.
rootlocus 9y ago
They're not dealing with a lawsuit because they're using a free engine. They had a very specific contract with Crytek which they breached multiple times.

flohofwoe 9y ago

You can scratch Stingray from the list unfortunately: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/stingray/learn-explore/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/stingray-end-of-sale-faq.html https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/stingray/learn-explor...

jarsin 9y ago
HAHA Autodesk strikes again. Google should buy them..a match made in heaven.

erikj 9y ago

Source is pretty expensive due to the mandatory Havok fee.

shak77 9y ago
What are the numbers? Is Havok really mandatory? Wouldn't it be possible to replace Havok with Bullet or some other related system?
- erikj 9y ago
  $25,000. Valve doesn't distribute Source without it, as far as I know. Replacing Havok would take a lot of effort which is better spent elsewhere.
  - Strom 9y ago
    Valve has been working on a physics engine called Rubikon since at least 2012. [1] Maybe it will be used to fully replace Havok in Source 2. -- [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTC0V0LWeGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTC0V0LWeGI [1] http://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/2014/Sergiy_Migdalskiy_Debugging_Techniques.pdf http://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/2014/Sergiy_Migdals... [1] http://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/2015/Migdalskiy_Sergiy_Physics_Optimization_Strategies.pdf http://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/2015/Migdalskiy_Ser...
    - erikj 9y ago
      Source 2 is another matter altogether. Valve doesn't share it with third-party developers at all, whether you pay or not. There were plans back in 2015 to make it free with the condition that any game made with it has to be published to Steam non-exclusively, but that still hasn't happened yet.
frik 9y ago
Does Source ship nowadays with a recent Havok physics library nowadays? I heard they used to use an decade old physics library that just got bought by Havok company in the meantime and has nothing to do with the Havok physic engines everyone knows.
- erikj 9y ago
  No, it's still using Valve's fork of that old library (Ipion Virtual Physics) that's referred in the documentation to as VPhysics.

rootlocus 9y ago

They're not dealing with a lawsuit because they're using a free engine. They had a very specific contract with Crytek which they breached multiple times.