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a) Just because you show a video of an airframe in the air, does not remotely mean that the Jet specified, with all it's gear, is flying and operable. b) No -

a) Just because you show a video of an airframe in the air, does not remotely mean that the Jet specified, with all it's gear, is flying and operable. b) No - stealth for jets is a very, very specific thing with lots of nuance that has no civilian counterpart. What 'tech' does China make that surpasses most of the world? Almost none. The article today about their car factories: all Swedish and Swiss robots. So they're not even at that stage. Same thing with Engines - a very key component that most nations do not seem to be able to do on their own. Apparently the new US F series have surfaces tweaked down to the mm, bigger than that, it's not stealthy. And it requires a lot of specialized maintenance. c) The Chinese have no experience whatsoever operating in the kinds of systems that the US has. Those things take experience and time to develop. Can the Chinese AF effectively deploy drones 1/2 way around the world now? That's not 'one tech' - that's a whole pile of tech and operational abilities rolled into one. And that's just drones. How many re-fuellers do they have ready? How many Aircraft carriers (really, 0). How many forward stations can they deploy to in an instant? No, as far as they have come along the last 20 years, this is one area they are going to be quite far behind in, for still some time yet. I roughly say they are about where they are with their aircraft carrier.

justicezyx 9y ago
> a) Just because you show a video of an airframe in the air, does not remotely mean that the Jet specified, with all it's gear, is flying and operable. So it acutally cannot fly, that's what you are saying. > What 'tech' does China make that surpasses most of the world? Almost none. China tech is among the world's most advanced. Let's not confuse being the absolute #1 with just being advanced. > c) The Chinese have no experience whatsoever operating in the kinds of systems that the US has. "had" They used to have a despicable internet economy, look at what they are doing now.
- alexasmyths 9y ago
  a) I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm saying we don't really have lot of info on what it actually is and does. b) China is not among the world's most advanced in the series of technical bits necessary for this: stealth, jet aircraft engine, weapons systems, underlying operational capabilities. c) China hasn't dropped live munitions on an actual target in what, decades? Do they have a single AFB out of their borders? Do they have an operable aircraft carrier? Do they interoperate with dozens of other nations? Have they flown actual stealth missions? You have to do all of that to get good at it. I will be a long while.
  - olympus 9y ago
    The stance you're taking is one that is dangerous. China has a billion people and a lot of really smart ones. a) The J-20 does fly, but it isn't fully operational. But functioning prototypes do exist and have fired missiles. If you aren't satisfied with pictures and videos I guess you'll just have to join the PLAAF and become a pilot yourself. b) China may bad at engine construction and lag in stealth, but they are world class at designing weapons and their operational ability. The PL-12 and upcoming PL-15 are extremely advanced and their integrated air defense is seriously good. c) China has drops live munitions on regular occasion. They do it during training and during weapons development. Just because the US and Russia are dropping bombs in Syria doesn't mean they are getting good practice out of it. China's aerospace development is far beyond their aircraft carrier development. Don't think that just because they can't project power across the globe that they are impotent. The ability to operate carriers and resupply underway is exclusive to the USA. Literally every other country has to stop at a friendly port to resupply. China threatens plenty of countries within its range. The thing about war with China is that it's asymmetric, so they don't have to be as good as the USA to cause problems. If China attacks Taiwan (a commonly hypothesized scenario) they have a huge home team advantage while the USA has to drag everything halfway across the world. The USA can't rest because as soon as they are close enough to defend Taiwan they are under 24/7 threat from Chinese subs, ships, cruise missiles, and planes. China gets to use 100% of it's military for that fight, and the USA cannot use 100% because of the long logistical tail.
    - alexasmyths 9y ago
      "China has a billion people and a lot of really smart ones." So does India. So does Africa. 1) "But functioning prototypes do exist and have fired missiles." I agree, but what do those prototypes actually do? Is the real question. 2) " they are world class at designing weapons and their operational ability." - how many real targets have they hit i the last decade? I'm sure they are smart. But not even the Chinese know how their gear will work in the field. 3) "China has drops live munitions on regular occasion. They do it during training and during weapons development. Just because the US and Russia are dropping bombs in Syria doesn't mean they are getting good practice out of it. " Uhh, yes - it does. And when I'm referring to 'dropping munitions' - I'm referring to the massive machine of operations support and tech that underlie 'the dropping of those bombs'. Do they have the forward air controllers? Are they good? If not - Air Force is severely hampered. Do they have the AWACS capabilities - or will their entire AF be rendered useless in the blink of an eye by e-warfare. The list goes on and on.
King-Aaron 9y ago
> Just because you show a video of an airframe in the air, does not remotely mean that the Jet specified, with all it's gear, is flying and operable. This was not your question. > Are we sure it even flies? This was. I feel you're holding a very anti-china-pro-team-america opinion here, you should provide some resources to back up your speculative claims that China does not have the technological capability to operate the third largest armed force in the world.
- alexasmyths 9y ago
  "Are we sure it even flies?" 'It' refers to some great J-series jet with crazy specs. Not an empty prototype airframe.
nyolfen 9y ago
china has famously hacked many of the major manufacturers and supply chain partners of american military aviation over the last decade. i don't think it's a stretch that they may have learned some advanced information about stealth.

justicezyx 9y ago

> a) Just because you show a video of an airframe in the air, does not remotely mean that the Jet specified, with all it's gear, is flying and operable. So it acutally cannot fly, that's what you are saying. > What 'tech' does China make that surpasses most of the world? Almost none. China tech is among the world's most advanced. Let's not confuse being the absolute #1 with just being advanced. > c) The Chinese have no experience whatsoever operating in the kinds of systems that the US has. "had" They used to have a despicable internet economy, look at what they are doing now.

alexasmyths 9y ago
a) I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm saying we don't really have lot of info on what it actually is and does. b) China is not among the world's most advanced in the series of technical bits necessary for this: stealth, jet aircraft engine, weapons systems, underlying operational capabilities. c) China hasn't dropped live munitions on an actual target in what, decades? Do they have a single AFB out of their borders? Do they have an operable aircraft carrier? Do they interoperate with dozens of other nations? Have they flown actual stealth missions? You have to do all of that to get good at it. I will be a long while.
- olympus 9y ago
  The stance you're taking is one that is dangerous. China has a billion people and a lot of really smart ones. a) The J-20 does fly, but it isn't fully operational. But functioning prototypes do exist and have fired missiles. If you aren't satisfied with pictures and videos I guess you'll just have to join the PLAAF and become a pilot yourself. b) China may bad at engine construction and lag in stealth, but they are world class at designing weapons and their operational ability. The PL-12 and upcoming PL-15 are extremely advanced and their integrated air defense is seriously good. c) China has drops live munitions on regular occasion. They do it during training and during weapons development. Just because the US and Russia are dropping bombs in Syria doesn't mean they are getting good practice out of it. China's aerospace development is far beyond their aircraft carrier development. Don't think that just because they can't project power across the globe that they are impotent. The ability to operate carriers and resupply underway is exclusive to the USA. Literally every other country has to stop at a friendly port to resupply. China threatens plenty of countries within its range. The thing about war with China is that it's asymmetric, so they don't have to be as good as the USA to cause problems. If China attacks Taiwan (a commonly hypothesized scenario) they have a huge home team advantage while the USA has to drag everything halfway across the world. The USA can't rest because as soon as they are close enough to defend Taiwan they are under 24/7 threat from Chinese subs, ships, cruise missiles, and planes. China gets to use 100% of it's military for that fight, and the USA cannot use 100% because of the long logistical tail.
  - alexasmyths 9y ago
    "China has a billion people and a lot of really smart ones." So does India. So does Africa. 1) "But functioning prototypes do exist and have fired missiles." I agree, but what do those prototypes actually do? Is the real question. 2) " they are world class at designing weapons and their operational ability." - how many real targets have they hit i the last decade? I'm sure they are smart. But not even the Chinese know how their gear will work in the field. 3) "China has drops live munitions on regular occasion. They do it during training and during weapons development. Just because the US and Russia are dropping bombs in Syria doesn't mean they are getting good practice out of it. " Uhh, yes - it does. And when I'm referring to 'dropping munitions' - I'm referring to the massive machine of operations support and tech that underlie 'the dropping of those bombs'. Do they have the forward air controllers? Are they good? If not - Air Force is severely hampered. Do they have the AWACS capabilities - or will their entire AF be rendered useless in the blink of an eye by e-warfare. The list goes on and on.

King-Aaron 9y ago

> Just because you show a video of an airframe in the air, does not remotely mean that the Jet specified, with all it's gear, is flying and operable. This was not your question. > Are we sure it even flies? This was. I feel you're holding a very anti-china-pro-team-america opinion here, you should provide some resources to back up your speculative claims that China does not have the technological capability to operate the third largest armed force in the world.

alexasmyths 9y ago
"Are we sure it even flies?" 'It' refers to some great J-series jet with crazy specs. Not an empty prototype airframe.

nyolfen 9y ago

china has famously hacked many of the major manufacturers and supply chain partners of american military aviation over the last decade. i don't think it's a stretch that they may have learned some advanced information about stealth.