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Basically anybody with unpopular opinions or opinions that the powerful fear should support net neutrality.

by Simon_says 9y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
Or opinions that ever could become unpopular. Like privacy, you have to defend against the future, too.
njarboe 9y ago
Or just people with one or two possible broadband internet providers (80% of Americans?).
caseysoftware 9y ago
Except under the current "Net Neutrality" rules, we've seen Cloudflare shut down Stormfront because the CEO woke up in a bad mood. If Net Neutrality really worked the way everyone described, it would be great and I would be all for it. As is, it appears to be more of a religious mantra instead of an actual policy.
- zachwood 9y ago
  Cloudflare isn’t an ISP.
- zaarn 9y ago
  Cloudflare is not directly an ISP (they do operate their own network and BGP though, so they are) for this case, rather, they were the hosters and Stormfront were the customers. While I'm personally not happy that they killed a site they don't like, the site was still just a customer and it has nothing to do with Net Neutrality.
  - caseysoftware 9y ago
    So if a service provider can take any content offline, it doesn't matter if ISPs block content or not. That renders the entire "it protects controversial ideas!" point seems moot.
    - kthejoker2 9y ago
      If you self host, no one can take your content offline. The rules are about distribution not storage.
junkscience2017 9y ago
this is the inverse: a small minority (tech elites) squelching popular opinion. owning a gun IS objectively popular in the US (there are more guns than people)...even in Silicon Valley. at my current startup roughly half of the developers visit the range regularly. at my local range I always see people with Google and Facebook garb. Bass Pro Shop in San Jose sells out of bulk 9mm ammo within hours of putting it on the floor.
- Simon_says 9y ago
  > there are more guns than people That statistic is not super relevant when talking about how people feel about guns. Something like one-third of American households have a gun in them, and if you talk about individuals, it'll be modestly less than that.
- kthejoker2 9y ago
  Um no. 3% of Americans own more than half our guns. THEY are an elite group. Only 22% of Americans own any guns at all. They really are not popular in any sense of the word. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/22/study-guns-owners-violence/90858752/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/22/study-guns-ow...

Basically anybody with unpopular opinions or opinions that the powerful fear should support net neutrality.

yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago

Or opinions that ever could become unpopular. Like privacy, you have to defend against the future, too.

njarboe 9y ago

Or just people with one or two possible broadband internet providers (80% of Americans?).

caseysoftware 9y ago

Except under the current "Net Neutrality" rules, we've seen Cloudflare shut down Stormfront because the CEO woke up in a bad mood. If Net Neutrality really worked the way everyone described, it would be great and I would be all for it. As is, it appears to be more of a religious mantra instead of an actual policy.

zachwood 9y ago
Cloudflare isn’t an ISP.
zaarn 9y ago
Cloudflare is not directly an ISP (they do operate their own network and BGP though, so they are) for this case, rather, they were the hosters and Stormfront were the customers. While I'm personally not happy that they killed a site they don't like, the site was still just a customer and it has nothing to do with Net Neutrality.
- caseysoftware 9y ago
  So if a service provider can take any content offline, it doesn't matter if ISPs block content or not. That renders the entire "it protects controversial ideas!" point seems moot.
  - kthejoker2 9y ago
    If you self host, no one can take your content offline. The rules are about distribution not storage.

junkscience2017 9y ago

this is the inverse: a small minority (tech elites) squelching popular opinion. owning a gun IS objectively popular in the US (there are more guns than people)...even in Silicon Valley. at my current startup roughly half of the developers visit the range regularly. at my local range I always see people with Google and Facebook garb. Bass Pro Shop in San Jose sells out of bulk 9mm ammo within hours of putting it on the floor.

Simon_says 9y ago
> there are more guns than people That statistic is not super relevant when talking about how people feel about guns. Something like one-third of American households have a gun in them, and if you talk about individuals, it'll be modestly less than that.
kthejoker2 9y ago
Um no. 3% of Americans own more than half our guns. THEY are an elite group. Only 22% of Americans own any guns at all. They really are not popular in any sense of the word. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/22/study-guns-owners-violence/90858752/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/22/study-guns-ow...