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My answers, maybe not the same as yours. 1) Let people make their own decisions and don't try to be their caretakers. 2) UBI should be universal. Ideally the

My answers, maybe not the same as yours. 1) Let people make their own decisions and don't try to be their caretakers. 2) UBI should be universal. Ideally the impetus would not be on the US government or any other local government to implement it. Let's not conflate their responsibilities further, they are a large enough centralized point of failure.

gutnor 9y ago
> Let people make their own decisions and don't try to be their caretakers. That's some harsh darwinism that seems to go against the principle of UBI. You are mentally unfit (young, ill, sick, depressed, ...) ? Here is some cash, good luck with the wolves.
- akvadrako 9y ago
  > That's some harsh darwinism that seems to go against the principle of UBI. The principle of UBI is exactly that; give people some money with no strings or instructions and let them make their own decisions. If it's conditional, it's not universal.
  - gutnor 9y ago
    For context of GP question was "How do we prevent creating the same inefficient welfare with UBI", to which parent said roughly "Don't care, just give everyone cash". You can't just give a lump sum of money to a guy with down syndrome and hope he will figure out what he needs without some sort of external assistance, i.e. some sort of welfare program. So either UBI is just the most cynical attempt at social darwinism and eugenics in a long time, or UBI needs to be complemented by something that looks very much like the current set of welfare program. It is easy to see that UBI can somewhat easily be funded, however (UBI + welfare) is a completely different matter.
    - hyprCoin 9y ago
      Ideally the hypothetical down syndrome man will be able to seek help and pay someone for their time if their immediate support network fails them. Perhaps an assisted living center. No need to introduce a nanny state to account for an edge case, need based market dynamics will do that easily enough if the person in need has the financial means. Right now the solution to that hypothetical poor down syndrome man is the salvation army and living on the street. I see it every day with a variety of mental health issues outside my luxury apartment. The disparity is sickening, and our system is failing it's people immensely. Personally I'm very hopeful that a combination of gene editing and AI will alleviate malodies and allow everyone clarity of thought.

gutnor 9y ago

> Let people make their own decisions and don't try to be their caretakers. That's some harsh darwinism that seems to go against the principle of UBI. You are mentally unfit (young, ill, sick, depressed, ...) ? Here is some cash, good luck with the wolves.

akvadrako 9y ago
> That's some harsh darwinism that seems to go against the principle of UBI. The principle of UBI is exactly that; give people some money with no strings or instructions and let them make their own decisions. If it's conditional, it's not universal.
- gutnor 9y ago
  For context of GP question was "How do we prevent creating the same inefficient welfare with UBI", to which parent said roughly "Don't care, just give everyone cash". You can't just give a lump sum of money to a guy with down syndrome and hope he will figure out what he needs without some sort of external assistance, i.e. some sort of welfare program. So either UBI is just the most cynical attempt at social darwinism and eugenics in a long time, or UBI needs to be complemented by something that looks very much like the current set of welfare program. It is easy to see that UBI can somewhat easily be funded, however (UBI + welfare) is a completely different matter.
  - hyprCoin 9y ago
    Ideally the hypothetical down syndrome man will be able to seek help and pay someone for their time if their immediate support network fails them. Perhaps an assisted living center. No need to introduce a nanny state to account for an edge case, need based market dynamics will do that easily enough if the person in need has the financial means. Right now the solution to that hypothetical poor down syndrome man is the salvation army and living on the street. I see it every day with a variety of mental health issues outside my luxury apartment. The disparity is sickening, and our system is failing it's people immensely. Personally I'm very hopeful that a combination of gene editing and AI will alleviate malodies and allow everyone clarity of thought.