> The math doesn't work and has never worked. UBI proponents will never talk math because it doesn't add up, even with the most casual analysis. I'm happy to d

> The math doesn't work and has never worked. UBI proponents will never talk math because it doesn't add up, even with the most casual analysis. I'm happy to discuss the math with you any day of the week. One of the biggest misconceptions that many people have is that the basic income (or any government funding) must somehow be funded through taxes. That's not how money works. There's a limit to the amount of government spending that the economy can productively absorb and that amount has very little, if anything to do with the amount of tax revenue that the government collects. > But just to do that in the US you are talking about 3 trillion dollars (300 million x $10k for easy math) that you have to find in the budget. If you try to do this using conventional budget math, you're not going to get the right answer. > Now basic income advocates will say you can make up some if not most of that by cutting welfare programs No. This is a terrible idea and it's due to the same misconception. I agree with you that most basic income advocates don't understand the underlying economics. But the underlying economics are nevertheless sound. > How exactly do you convince a nation which already isn't willing to pay for healthcare to pay for basic income, too? Yup. Politically, it would be very difficult to accomplish. That's why we have to do it ourselves. > I'd love to be wrong, but I've never seen any numbers that are workable, especially in a political climate anything like today. If you're interested in digging deeper on how this could work, I'm working on an economics paper that describes the economics of a basic income. Here's an abstract: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9KDLUTAOkduOXdNQWl3REw4eWc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9KDLUTAOkduOXdNQWl3REw4eWc... Email me if you're curious about reading the full thing. > There could be a complete paradigm shift in the future, where machines literally take care of all needs in an automated way, but that's such a strange reality that welfare reform is honestly about the last problem we'd need to discuss. We've been undergoing this paradigm shift for centuries. It won't reach its full potential without a basic income to allow people to take full advantage of the wealth we're already capable of producing.