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A little nudity in a movie is harmless. A little nudity being forced into a movie as a sexual power play isn't. The problem isn't the nudity, it's why it's ther

A little nudity in a movie is harmless. A little nudity being forced into a movie as a sexual power play isn't. The problem isn't the nudity, it's why it's there. If people are naked due to an act of symbolic rape in the real world and not as a device to enhance the story, that's a problem. However, if no one forces anyone else to do something that they don't want to, I have difficulty seeing that as a problem. The nudity isn't the harm. Being forced into it is.

vmnieowan873 9y ago
So define "forced" here. She could have said no and not made the film. Does that mean this was OK?
- khedoros1 9y ago
  Forced. Compelled. Persuaded by threats and/or violence. The consequence of the film not being made was just as unnatural an imposition as the nude scene would've been in the first place. > She could have said no and not made the film. Does that mean this was OK? I think you know my answer to that, and I don't think you're making an argument in good faith. How about you just come out and say directly what you'd like to say? Weinstein imposed a "choice". But it wasn't a real choice. It was a threat. An ultimatum. Visiting violence upon others is not OK. I expect that you're going to take the least-charitable possible interpretation of what I've said. That seems to be your MO, reading the rest of the thread. You're angry, and I get it, but I think that your anger is misdirected.
- junkilo 9y ago
  > "I had to say yes" and "I had convinced so many talented people to participate" and "How could I let their magnificent work go to waste?" and " and "I wanted him to see me as an artist [not only as a prop for sex appeal]" as a Dad with daughters I am horrified by this evil. Coercion and oppression to obtain debasing sexual content makes me sick: "There was no room for negotiation. I had to say yes." Why do people go to such great lengths, even to compromise their personal ethics, to please others peoples imagined sensibilities or expectations?

vmnieowan873 9y ago

So define "forced" here. She could have said no and not made the film. Does that mean this was OK?

khedoros1 9y ago
Forced. Compelled. Persuaded by threats and/or violence. The consequence of the film not being made was just as unnatural an imposition as the nude scene would've been in the first place. > She could have said no and not made the film. Does that mean this was OK? I think you know my answer to that, and I don't think you're making an argument in good faith. How about you just come out and say directly what you'd like to say? Weinstein imposed a "choice". But it wasn't a real choice. It was a threat. An ultimatum. Visiting violence upon others is not OK. I expect that you're going to take the least-charitable possible interpretation of what I've said. That seems to be your MO, reading the rest of the thread. You're angry, and I get it, but I think that your anger is misdirected.
junkilo 9y ago
> "I had to say yes" and "I had convinced so many talented people to participate" and "How could I let their magnificent work go to waste?" and " and "I wanted him to see me as an artist [not only as a prop for sex appeal]" as a Dad with daughters I am horrified by this evil. Coercion and oppression to obtain debasing sexual content makes me sick: "There was no room for negotiation. I had to say yes." Why do people go to such great lengths, even to compromise their personal ethics, to please others peoples imagined sensibilities or expectations?